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Mr Hammer

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Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims
Reply #45 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:07pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:00pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:56pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:52pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:45pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:42pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:37pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:32pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?

she obviously didn't read the article. Grin

You couldn't work it out for yourself either hey? Roll Eyes

First base in the whole post was that he was insensitive to people who have been molested and you didn't know that fact from the start. That's 10 minutes of my life I won't be getting back. Grin

He wasn't though. He denounced people who are overcome with self pity. His reference to people who have been abused was in direct reference to people wanting great works of art censored.

This has been explained to you twice now.

Jesus, talking about the tooth fairy, it's like pulling teeth.

Love, the article was about his insensitive comments. He was blaming censorship in the arts on molestation victims who ban certain images etc.

Yes. THose overcome with self pity. Keep up Hammer.

Yes, and used molestation victims as an example. Anyway it's a bloody stupid argument from the start. A while back he did a show on homophobia. If he wants total freedom of expression then I hope he won't mind a 10 foot high canvas with P O O F T E R painted in pink painted across it.

Molestation victims who reside in a place of self pity.

It is an important distinction. One that Aussie did not make in his thread title and opening post.

THAT is what i am arguing.

So he believes some self pitying molestation victims and other self pitiers are complaining and getting cutting edged art banned? Huh

Not just cutting edge art. THe old classics too. Like people complaining about Macbeth or Medea banned because they contain child murder.

That's not only quite nasty and insensitive but insane. And you agree with this rubbish?

Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry.

I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How?

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Reply #46 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:10pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry.

I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How?
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I didn't say i didn't approve of the disrespect. I merely said i am more inclined to sympathy/empathy than contempt.

I think their ideas should be fought vigorously.

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #47 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:12pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry.

I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How?

I didn't say i didn't approve of the disrespect. I merely said i am more inclined to sympathy/empathy than contempt.

I think their ideas should be fought vigorously.
[/quote]But how can you say you agree with Fry and not agree with the backbone of his argument? I don't understand you.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #48 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:13pm I'm going offline for a while. I've just experienced a total mind f a rk.
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Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims
Reply #49 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:14pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

Not in the slightest. On that issue, i agree with Stephen Fry.

I disagree with him on being contemptuous of people who are labouring under self pity. I'm more inclined to feel very sorry for them.

So you agree with Fry that self pitiers are destroying freedom of expression but you don't like the disrespect he shows towards these people? How?

I didn't say i didn't approve of the disrespect. I merely said i am more inclined to sympathy/empathy than contempt.

I think their ideas should be fought vigorously.

But how can you say you agree with Fry and not agree with the backbone of his argument? I don't understand you.
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Hammer, what do you define as the "backbone" of his argument ... that i am not agreeing with?

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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mothra Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 35587 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #50 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 9:41pm Still haven't recovered Hammer?
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