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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38862 Gender:	Self Pity/Abuse Victims Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:27pm I agree with Fry. Get over it ~ grow up, stop using it as a crutch. It is, as Fry says, a very destructive emotion. Link.
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Reply #1 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

I agree with Fry. Get over it ~ grow up, stop using it as a crutch. It is, as Fry says, a very destructive emotion.

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Fry is not saying "get over it", "grow up" or "stop using it as a crutch" He is not being so insensitive.

Did you read what he actually said?

He's saying great works of art should not be censored because they involve taboo or difficult subjects.

He's saying self pity is destructive, yes, true ... not the rest of what you have added.

You don;t tell a victim to "get over it". Or to "grow up". Jesus.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #2 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm And then Fry tells the world about his suicide attempt. Toughen up Fry you old bum bandit.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #3 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:51pm Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm: And then Fry tells the world about his suicide attempt. Toughen up Fry you old bum bandit. I would argue that a suicide attempt as a result of clinical depression doesn't really qualify as self-pity.
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Reply #4 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:57pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

Aussie wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

I agree with Fry. Get over it ~ grow up, stop using it as a crutch. It is, as Fry says, a very destructive emotion.

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Fry is not saying "get over it", "grow up" or "stop using it as a crutch" He is not being so insensitive.

Did you read what he actually said?

He's saying great works of art should not be censored because they involve taboo or difficult subjects.

He's saying self pity is destructive, yes, true ... not the rest of what you have added.

You don;t tell a victim to "get over it". Or to "grow up". Jesus.

He did say.....'Grow up.' I expanded that.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #5 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal.
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Reply #6 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 6:42pm:

And then Fry tells the world about his suicide attempt. Toughen up Fry you old bum bandit.

I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

I would argue that a suicide attempt as a result of clinical depression doesn't really qualify as self-pity.

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Reply #7 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

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Reply #8 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:15pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result.

That's not self pity though.

Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed?

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Reply #9 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result.

That's not self pity though.

Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed?

How does this old queen determine if some poor molestation victim is feeling sorry for themselves?

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Reply #10 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:18pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result.

That's not self pity though.

Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed?

How does this old queen determine if some poor molestation victim is feeling sorry for themselves?

He's speaking specifically to people who want to ban great works of art because they include sensitive subjects.

Did you actually read the article?

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Reply #11 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:21pm

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:15pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:12pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm:

He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity.

Different animal.

I've had you on here announcing your rape Mothra. So tell me Mothra, are people allowed to feel sorry and bad for being abused? Should they just suck it up?

Of course they are. And there is a fair to reasonable chance they will suffer from long term mental health problems as a result.

That's not self pity though.

Jesus Hammer. Did you actually read what i typed?

How does this old queen determine if some poor molestation victim is feeling sorry for themselves?

He's speaking specifically to people who want to ban great works of art because they include sensitive subjects.

Did you actually read the article?

Yes I did. He said this- “It’s a great shame that your uncle touched you in that nasty place — you get some of my sympathy — but your self pity gets none of my sympathy.” Undecided

And you agree with him. Grin

If Fry was a rightie you wouldn't. Grin

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #12 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:23pm Where did i say i agreed with him Hammer?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #13 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:24pm mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:23pm: Where did i say i agreed with him Hammer? So why are you arguing then?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38862 Gender:	Re: Self Pity/Abuse Victims Reply #14 - Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:26pm mothra wrote on Apr 12^th, 2016 at 7:03pm: He didn't use it in reference to abuse victims though, as you did. He said it to people wallowing in self pity. Different animal. Really? To whom was he addressing the comment? Was it the tooth fairy?
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