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Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion
Reply #15 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

ian wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

They dont like facts and information James, it detracts from their snide one liners.

I do. The article makes some sense, even if it is from Jihadwatch. I'm not sure though. James hasn't referenced it.

I never take Jihadwatch seriously - it's a site who's sole purpose is to bring down Islam. This article has some good facts though. The Pew research is quite good.

Religions aren't "good" just because they grow in numbers. I'd actually say the opposite is true. Growth comes from seduction. I believe the biggest growing Christian movement is Pentecostalism, and this is successful because it preaches "prosperity doctrine": Christian self-help techniques to become rich. Modern Pentecostalism is, in all effect, a creed of materialism.

The best versions of religion aren't popular. This is because the teachings of the great spiritual leaders are hard to practice. It's not easy to love thine enemy, for example. It's not easy to practice mindfulness, or fast, or even to live simply in the modern world. The values of our society are comfort, physical pleasure, and self-centeredness (greed is good).

We're also seduced into hatefulness and spite. This is an age-old human trait - an age-old animal trait. The difference today is its exploitation by tabloid and social media. Just as jihadists are recruited by social media, we're recruited to hate the Muselman on sites like this. A number of posters here have this as their very purpose for being here.

This mindset is not conducive to a spiritual life. Jihadists and Islamophobes alike will not find peace. If a religion preaches hatred or smug superiority, it's not "good". Those that preach humility, compassion and self awareness don't get too many converts.

And that's just life.

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Sir James Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion Reply #16 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:23pm polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:44pm: "actual facts" eh Ian? Your realise the sole source of that claim is a youtube video that makes flawed projections that have easily been debunked using actual census data? Lol a muslim rant site.
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Sir James Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion Reply #17 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:24pm ian wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 11:59am: They dont like facts and information James, it detracts from their snide one liners. And rant sites. It's hilarious to see trying to twist the truth with more lies..
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Reply #18 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:49pm

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:24pm:

ian wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 11:59am:

They dont like facts and information James, it detracts from their snide one liners.

And rant sites. It's hilarious to see trying to twist the truth with more lies..

Rant sites? Where's your OP come from, Matty?

I'm curious.

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Sir James Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion Reply #19 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam By the way I am not your beloved matty princess. I hope you find your true love. He sounds like a great guy.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95896 Gender:	Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion Reply #20 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm: I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.
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Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion
Reply #21 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 12:44pm:

"actual facts" eh Ian? Grin

Your realise the sole source of that claim is a youtube video that makes flawed projections that have easily been debunked using actual census data?

Incorrect. All I did was use the most convenient link. Theres no secret to these statistics, they were reported in the Indo media last time I was there with much discussion. In fact the rate of Christian converts is under reported because many hide their faith in order to progress in their employment. Heres a wiki article regarding Christian converts in 3rd world countries. Its evident Islam is not the fasted growing religion, Christianity is.
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According to 2011 Pew Research Center survey, there are 2.2 billion Christians around the world in 2010,[54] up from about 600 million in 1910.[54] And according to 2012 Pew Research Center survey if current trends continue, Christianity will remain the world's largest religion by year 2050.[54] By 2050, the Christian population is expected to exceed 3 billion.[54]

According to a 2005 paper submitted to a meeting of the American Political Science Association, most of Christianity's growth has occurred in non-Western countries. The paper concludes that the Pentecostalism movement is the fastest-growing religion worldwide.[55]

The US Department of State estimated in 2005 that Protestants in Vietnam may have grown by 600% over the previous 10 years.[56] In Nigeria, the percentage of Christians has grown from 21.4% in 1953 to 50.8% in 2010.[54] In South Korea, Christianity has grown from 20.7% in 1985 to 29.3% in 2010.[54] In Singapore the percentage of Christians among Singaporeans increased from 12.7% in 1990 to 17.5% in 2010.[57] In recent years, the number of Chinese Christians has increased significantly; Christians were 4 million before 1949 (3 million Catholics and 1 million Protestants), and are reaching 67 million today.[54][58]

Evangelical Christian denominations are among the fastest-growing denominations in some Catholic Christian countries, such as Brazil and France.[59][60] In Brazil, the total number of Protestants jumped from 16.2% in 2000[61] to 22.2% in 2010 (for the first time, the percentage of Catholics in Brazil is less than 70%). These cases don't contribute to a growth of Christianity overall, but rather to a substitution of a brand of Christianity with another one.

According to the records of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, its membership has grown every decade since its beginning in the 1830s,[62] that it is among the top ten largest Christian denominations in the U.S.,[63] and that it was the fastest growing church in the U.S. in 2012.[64]

According to 2015 Believers in Christ from a Muslim Background: A Global Census study estimates 10,283,700 Muslim convert to Christianity around the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion

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Reply #22 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:10pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm:

I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam Grin

No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

Did matty steal your burqa and leave you standing at the mosque on your wedding(enslavery) day ? Grin

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below. Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:17pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm:

I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam Grin

No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

Why is he so reluctant to cite a reference?

What's he hiding?

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Sir James Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 633 Gender:	Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion Reply #24 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:18pm I think matty pinched kamals burqa on their special day.
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Reply #25 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:21pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm:

I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam Grin

No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

They have a policy on that sort of thing, Karnal.

"Why don't you provide links?

"Quite frankly, it would be a nightmare to keep up with. Links change or disappear over time".

Ah.

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Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion
Reply #26 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:25pm

Worth a read
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From the heart of a Muslim - Tawfik Hamid
I was born a Muslim and lived all my life as a follower of Islam.

After the barbaric terrorist attacks done by the hands of my fellow Muslims everywhere on this globe, and after the too many violent acts by Islamists in many parts of the world, I feel responsible as a Muslim and as a human being, to speak out and tell the truth to protect the world and Muslims as well from a coming catastrophe and war of civilizations.
I have to admit that our current Islamic teaching creates violence and hatred toward Non-Muslims.

We Muslims are the ones who need to change. Until now we have accepted polygamy, the beating of women by men, and killing those who convert from Islam to other religions.
We have never had a clear and strong stand against the concept of slavery or wars, to spread our religion and to subjugate others to Islam and force them to pay a humiliating tax called Jizia. We ask others to respect our religion while all the time we curse non-Muslims loudly (in Arabic) in our Friday prayers in the Mosques.

http://sate-muslim.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/from-heart-of-muslim-tawfik-hamid.html#more

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Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion
Reply #27 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm:

I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam Grin

No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

Why is he so reluctant to cite a reference?

What's he hiding?

He said he's waiting for the crowd to pass, Greggery.

Matty, any chance you could do it on your phone while you're waiting?

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Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion
Reply #28 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:57pm

ian wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Incorrect. All I did was use the most convenient link. Theres no secret to these statistics

They are not statistics Ian, its a dodgy guess based on a 2009 projection which itself proved to be wrong. There is only one source claiming these figures - a muslim activist group who made the claim in a youtube video. Your own article doesn't even state is as fact, but references the claim in the video and poses the question "Can This Be True?" Anyone who has actually bothered to scrutinise the basis of the claim knows its complete rubbish - even your own article mentions the refutations. Actual census data shows the growth to be around 500k per year - at most.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: The Game: Islam is the Fastest Growing Religion
Reply #29 - Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:57pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 2:04pm:

Sir James wrote on Apr 13^th, 2016 at 1:56pm:

I'll be right back once I can get by this stampede of people rushing to the local mosque joining islam Grin

No worries, Matty. You come right back and provide a link to your article. We'll have a little look-see.

Why is he so reluctant to cite a reference?

What's he hiding?

He said he's waiting for the crowd to pass, Greggery.

Matty, any chance you could do it on your phone while you're waiting?

Maybe we could email him: thereligionofpeace@yahoo.com

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