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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #180 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:35am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 5:32am:
Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice


Since most Muslims are socially conservative, the thesis in the thread title seems to be confirmed from various directions.
Well done.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #181 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 8:05am
 
mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 5:55am:
"Prejudice'.


Another measurement of a country’s contribution to science is demonstrated by the number patents issued. “The 57 Islamic countries produce negligibly few patents,” Hoodbhoy writes. “According to official statistics, Pakistan has produced only eight patents in the past 43 years.” There are 1800 universities in the 57 Muslim countries of the world; none of them were ranked in the top 500 in a study undertaken by Shanghai Jiao Tong University

https://bobblincoe.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/measuring-scientific-progress-in-the

-muslim-world%E2%80%94dr-pervez-hoodbhoy-does-the-math/
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Reply #182 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 8:27am
 

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #183 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 8:51am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 8:27am:
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it's still funny the next morning

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #184 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 1:08pm
 
Inbreeding and it's associated low I.Q. is one of the many self induced symptoms of a sick evil muslim society.

We all know that islam / muslims are the absolute bottom of the social ladder.

muslims themselves know they are the dregs, but in their stupidity they believe the answer is to have islam as the only religious and political system on this earth.

So they're destined to keep going down hill.

They are aided by the idiocy of their apologists who refuse to criticize islam and get muslims to critically examine themselves and islam.

I like it, the mussies are on a very slippery downhill path, their apologists are pushing them on this downward trend.

Which will result in?

Eventually truth and muslim  / apologist imbecility will destroy islam.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #185 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 1:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 8:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 8:27am:
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it's still funny the next morning

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It certainly is.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #186 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 1:29pm
 
... wrote on Apr 15th, 2016 at 6:16pm:
Sir James wrote on Apr 15th, 2016 at 5:19pm:
Possible explanations for this decline include hybridization with sub-Saharan Africans, dysgenic decrease in the more educated Muslims employing birth control as suggested by Meisenberg, the Muslim religion not fostering critical thinking, and the intellectual contributions being both exaggerated and made by non-Muslims.


The arab world was utterly devastated by the mongols.  Their repopulation in the last 800 years has included widespread inbreeding - this has become known as a "cultural practice" but it simply reflected necessity.  Their gene pool just doesn't have the depth to thrive otherwise. 
A lower average intelligence than other peoples who didnt face such a crisis is to be expected,  how much lower is the question.


The Arabs spent centuries importing millions of sex slaves from Africa. Supposedly the offspring of these sex slaves to Muslim fathers are considered Muslims themselves and should be given equal social standing (not entirely sure on this one as I get conflicting versions). Yet you don't see much evidence of this in modern Arabs.
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Reply #187 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 4:18pm
 
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not entirely sure on this one as I get conflicting versions


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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #188 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 4:28pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 15th, 2016 at 5:59pm:
Noam Chomsky:


"Surely people differ in their biologically determined qualities. The world would be too horrible to contemplate if they did not. But discovery of a correlation between some of these qualities is of no scientific interest and of no social significance, except to racists, sexists and the like. Those who argue that there is a correlation between race and IQ and those who deny this claim are contributing to racism and other disorders, because what they are saying is based on the assumption that the answer to the question makes a difference; it does not, except to racists, sexists and the like."


Is Chomsky saying that intelligence makes no difference? But if intelligence is important, why does it not matter how it is distributed between populations?


Why doesn't the discovery of correlation between some qualities matter, scientifically or socially?



He's acknowledging the error of measurement!

To take a measurement a measuring device has to be made: thus human error and bias is forever ingrained.

Who's making the measuring device?

He is simply positing that racists are unable to distinguish between propaganda and fact implying that the racist is so influential that nothing exists without him and his stupid mother to his racist children.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #189 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 4:44pm
 
Lucky muslims aren't a race but a rather a particular demographic that has a low mean IQ level that can be measured.

The cause scientifically seems more to be based on inbreeding based on historical data. This data helps us understand their intellectual level for effective communication and why they have trouble understanding more complex issues and learning. Not to mention being easily led into committing suicide, killing other people they do not know and being the most rabid racists on the earth today.

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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below.  Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #190 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:26pm
 
Wow, 13 pages of hyperventilating and not a single person has contradicted any of the claims in the opening post.

Mothra, would you agree that Islam is the ultimate conservative ideology? Do you think it is possible that Islam has become self-reinforcing in some places by creating genetically inferior subgroups that are in turn drawn to Islam because of their low intellect?

mothra wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 5:37am:
A study of averages

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.

Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the findings too literally.

"We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of overlap."

Nonetheless, there is reason to believe that strict right-wing ideology might appeal to those who have trouble grasping the complexity of the world.

"Socially conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order," Hodson said, explaining why these beliefs might draw those with low intelligence. "Unfortunately, many of these features can also contribute to prejudice."

In another study, this one in the United States, Hodson and Busseri compared 254 people with the same amount of education but different levels of ability in abstract reasoning. They found that what applies to racism may also apply to homophobia. People who were poorer at abstract reasoning were more likely to exhibit prejudice against gays. As in the U.K. citizens, a lack of contact with gays and more acceptance of right-wing authoritarianism explained the link. [5 Myths About Gay People Debunked]

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Hodson and Busseri's explanation of their findings is reasonable, Nosek said, but it is correlational. That means the researchers didn't conclusively prove that the low intelligence caused the later prejudice. To do that, you'd have to somehow randomly assign otherwise identical people to be smart or dumb, liberal or conservative. Those sorts of studies obviously aren't possible.

The researchers controlled for factors such as education and socioeconomic status, making their case stronger, Nosek said. But there are other possible explanations that fit the data. For example, Nosek said, a study of left-wing liberals with stereotypically naïve views like "every kid is a genius in his or her own way," might find that people who hold these attitudes are also less bright. In other words, it might not be a particular ideology that is linked to stupidity, but extremist views in general.

"My speculation is that it's not as simple as their model presents it," Nosek said. "I think that lower cognitive capacity can lead to multiple simple ways to represent the world, and one of those can be embodied in a right-wing ideology where 'People I don't know are threats' and 'The world is a dangerous place'. ... Another simple way would be to just assume everybody is wonderful."

Prejudice is of particular interest because understanding the roots of racism and bias could help eliminate them, Hodson said. For example, he said, many anti-prejudice programs encourage participants to see things from another group's point of view. That mental exercise may be too taxing for people of low IQ.

"There may be cognitive limits in the ability to take the perspective of others, particularly foreigners," Hodson said. "Much of the present research literature suggests that our prejudices are primarily emotional in origin rather than cognitive. These two pieces of information suggest that it might be particularly fruitful for researchers to consider strategies to change feelings toward outgroups," rather than thoughts.
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #191 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:30pm
 
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Do you think it is possible that Islam has become self-reinforcing in some places by creating genetically inferior subgroups that are in turn drawn to Islam because of their low intellect?


Do you think this is possible, FD?

I'm curious.
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Reply #192 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:34pm
 
Sure, it's plausible. If the details stack up I might add it to the faith ratchet article.

I've been meaning to add Aceh as an example.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #193 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:26pm:
Do you think it is possible that Islam has become self-reinforcing in some places by creating genetically inferior subgroups that are in turn drawn to Islam because of their low intellect?


By adopting such arguments, would you say it dispels the myth that criticising Islam and muslims has nothing to do with race and racism?
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Reply #194 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 7:26pm:
Mothra, would you agree that Islam is the ultimate conservative ideology?



Are you saying conservatives are id iots? Whatdayaknow ... I agree  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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