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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #240 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:30pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?

Please tell us how he could possibly be right, FD.

And when you've done that, tell us all how you could not possibly be racist yourself after your conversion to neo-Nazi racial theories.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81 Reply #241 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:30pm Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:27pm: ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm: [quote author=Karnal link=1460704746/232#232 date=1460809359] His motivation doesnt matter, Motivations are not a race either, eh? Your deflection isnt working. The OP is still about IQ differences and inherited genetic defects.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #242 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:10pm:

It is not racism if they are the same race as others, but have created a subgroup that is defined by their religious history.

Races don't exist FD, I've already pointed that out. And yet racism does exist.

How about you tell us what you think racism is then. You seemed to accept that it does exist in the other thread. I'd be fascinated what definition you come up with that doesn't involve the belief in the inferiority of certain human sub-groups based on their genetics.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #243 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Thats just an opinion Karnal, nothing there refutes the facts. And it is a fact that majority Muslim countries have low mean IQs, Regardless of Templemans agenda, this is fact.

How do you measure the IQ of a population, Ian?

I'm curious.

You are allegedly an intelligent man. Take an educated guess.

An estimate?

go on then.

That's my answer, Ian.

Its the wrong answer, but keep trying.

How do you discover the average IQ of a country like India, Ian? Or Afghanistan?

Please tell me the right answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence

Oh, I see.

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The 1981 article "Average IQ values in various European countries" by Vinko Buj is the only international IQ study that has compared IQs using the same IQ test over a short time period. It was probably completed in the 1970s and compared the capital cities or biggest towns in 21 European countries and Ghana.[2]

Researchers believe the data from this study are of dubious quality: except for a two-page-long publication, nothing about the study detail nor the author is known. The author didn't even work at a university.[3] However, according to the Croatian newspaper website Slobodna Dalmacija, Vinko Buj spent many years in training in Germany, specializing in clinical (medical) psychology in 1977, and later received his doctorate of psychological sciences at the University of Hamburg.[4] Nevertheless, the data yielded correlations with student assessment studies of only around -.10 to .07. Hence, the figures in the study do not seem to be ideal for studies on differences within Europe.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence#IQ_of_various_European_co...

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #244 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:37pm

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Races don't exist FD, I've already pointed that out. And yet racism does exist.

How about you tell us what you think racism is then. You seemed to accept that it does exist in the other thread. I'd be fascinated what definition you come up with that doesn't involve the belief in the inferiority of certain human sub-groups based on their genetics.

You can define them any way you want. Black, white, asian etc. People are talking about putting references to aboriginals (do they exist?) in our constitution. We have racial definitions written into plenty of our laws already. Do you see any references to inferiority here Gandalf?

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Please tell us how he could possibly be right, FD.

The theory is entirely plausible. The negative effects of inbreeding are well known. As are the significant problems with inbreeding in certain places, such as the middle east.

Are you saying that it is so outrageous there is not any need for people to even try to discredit it, beyond slandering the author?

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #245 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:30pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?

Please tell us how he could possibly be right, FD.

And when you've done that, tell us all how you could not possibly be racist yourself after your conversion to neo-Nazi racial theories.

Hypothetically if a racists was to discover cognitive differences between different races and they were peer reviewed would you accept the results regardless of how unpalatable they are?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81 Reply #246 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm: Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist? I wonder if you realise FD that Donald I Templer doesn't even mention the inbreeding theory to explain the low IQ.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #247 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Thats just an opinion Karnal, nothing there refutes the facts. And it is a fact that majority Muslim countries have low mean IQs, Regardless of Templemans agenda, this is fact.

How do you measure the IQ of a population, Ian?

I'm curious.

You are allegedly an intelligent man. Take an educated guess.

An estimate?

go on then.

That's my answer, Ian.

Its the wrong answer, but keep trying.

How do you discover the average IQ of a country like India, Ian? Or Afghanistan?

Please tell me the right answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence

Oh, I see.

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The 1981 article "Average IQ values in various European countries" by Vinko Buj is the only international IQ study that has compared IQs using the same IQ test over a short time period. It was probably completed in the 1970s and compared the capital cities or biggest towns in 21 European countries and Ghana.[2]

Researchers believe the data from this study are of dubious quality: except for a two-page-long publication, nothing about the study detail nor the author is known. The author didn't even work at a university.[3] However, according to the Croatian newspaper website Slobodna Dalmacija, Vinko Buj spent many years in training in Germany, specializing in clinical (medical) psychology in 1977, and later received his doctorate of psychological sciences at the University of Hamburg.[4] Nevertheless, the data yielded correlations with student assessment studies of only around -.10 to .07. Hence, the figures in the study do not seem to be ideal for studies on differences within Europe.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence#IQ_of_various_European_co...

You should have taken time to read the article more thoroughly, if you had you would have realised you focused on the criticism of the only IQ test which compared European countries and 1 African . regardless, IQ variations are accepted as fact by the scientific community, the only debate is to why they exist. So try harder. Im not going to enter a debate as to whether they exist, thats been done and dusted any number of times. And if you dont know that then you shouldnt even be approaching this subject.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #248 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?

I wonder if you realise FD that Donald I Templer doesn't even mention the inbreeding theory to explain the low IQ.

Good work Gandalf. I think you are the first to make a factual criticism.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #249 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:41pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:37pm:

You can define them any way you want. Black, white, asian etc. People are talking about putting references to aboriginals (do they exist?) in our constitution. We have racial definitions written into plenty of our laws already. Do you see any references to inferiority here Gandalf?

I didn't ask you to define race FD, I asked you define racism.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49453 At my desk.	Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81 Reply #250 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm My mistake. Yes I accept that racism involves ascribing negative qualities to races. What is your point?
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #251 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm

GordyL wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Thats just an opinion Karnal, nothing there refutes the facts. And it is a fact that majority Muslim countries have low mean IQs, Regardless of Templemans agenda, this is fact.

How do you measure the IQ of a population, Ian?

I'm curious.

You are allegedly an intelligent man. Take an educated guess.

An estimate?

go on then.

That's my answer, Ian.

Its the wrong answer, but keep trying.

How do you discover the average IQ of a country like India, Ian? Or Afghanistan?

Please tell me the right answer.

Would authorship of scientific papers be a way?

As you can see in the post above, dear, no.

Again, how did they calculate the average IQ of India? They haven't even rolled out electricity to much of the country.

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #252 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:45pm

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:39pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Thats just an opinion Karnal, nothing there refutes the facts. And it is a fact that majority Muslim countries have low mean IQs, Regardless of Templemans agenda, this is fact.

How do you measure the IQ of a population, Ian?

I'm curious.

You are allegedly an intelligent man. Take an educated guess.

An estimate?

go on then.

That's my answer, Ian.

Its the wrong answer, but keep trying.

How do you discover the average IQ of a country like India, Ian? Or Afghanistan?

Please tell me the right answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence

Oh, I see.

Quote:

The 1981 article "Average IQ values in various European countries" by Vinko Buj is the only international IQ study that has compared IQs using the same IQ test over a short time period. It was probably completed in the 1970s and compared the capital cities or biggest towns in 21 European countries and Ghana.[2]

Researchers believe the data from this study are of dubious quality: except for a two-page-long publication, nothing about the study detail nor the author is known. The author didn't even work at a university.[3] However, according to the Croatian newspaper website Slobodna Dalmacija, Vinko Buj spent many years in training in Germany, specializing in clinical (medical) psychology in 1977, and later received his doctorate of psychological sciences at the University of Hamburg.[4] Nevertheless, the data yielded correlations with student assessment studies of only around -.10 to .07. Hence, the figures in the study do not seem to be ideal for studies on differences within Europe.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence#IQ_of_various_European_co...

You should have taken time to read the article more thoroughly, if you had you would have realised you focused on the criticism of the only IQ test which compared European countries and 1 African . regardless, IQ variations are accepted as fact by the scientific community, the only debate is to why they exist. So try harder. Im not going to enter a debate as to whether they exist, thats been done and dusted any number of times. And if you dont know that then you shouldnt even be approaching this subject.

So how are nations tested?

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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #253 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:47pm

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?

I wonder if you realise FD that Donald I Templer doesn't even mention the inbreeding theory to explain the low IQ.

Good work Gandalf. I think you are the first to make a factual criticism.

Thats not a factual criticism FD, thats a statement of fact. One that clearly has been missed throughout this thread.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #254 - Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:48pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm:

GordyL wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:26pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:15pm:

Karnal wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:12pm:

ian wrote on Apr 16^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Thats just an opinion Karnal, nothing there refutes the facts. And it is a fact that majority Muslim countries have low mean IQs, Regardless of Templemans agenda, this is fact.

How do you measure the IQ of a population, Ian?

I'm curious.

You are allegedly an intelligent man. Take an educated guess.

An estimate?

go on then.

That's my answer, Ian.

Its the wrong answer, but keep trying.

How do you discover the average IQ of a country like India, Ian? Or Afghanistan?

Please tell me the right answer.

Would authorship of scientific papers be a way?

As you can see in the post above, dear, no.

Again, how did they calculate the average IQ of India? They haven't even rolled out electricity to much of the country.

I think you're wondering about their potential IQ

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