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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #255 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?


Please tell us how he could possibly be right, FD.

And when you've done that, tell us all how you could not possibly be racist yourself after your conversion to neo-Nazi racial theories.


Hypothetically if a racists was to discover cognitive differences between different races and they were peer reviewed would you accept the results regardless of how unpalatable they are?


A racial supremacist like Templer could never be peer reviewed in a mainstream publication, you should know that.

I'd be happy to accept racial differences if they could be proven, but I doubt you'll prove a racial difference in cognition.

Interesting that you're championing this idea though, Gordy - for an avowed non-racist.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #256 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:56pm
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:48pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:27pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:19pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:19pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:17pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:15pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:12pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:09pm:
Thats just an opinion Karnal, nothing there refutes the facts. And it is a fact that majority Muslim  countries have low mean IQs, Regardless of Templemans agenda, this is fact.


How do you measure the IQ of a population, Ian?

I'm curious.
You are allegedly an intelligent man. Take an educated guess.


An estimate?

go on then.


That's my answer, Ian.
Its the wrong answer, but keep trying. Smiley


How do you discover the average IQ of a country like India, Ian? Or Afghanistan?

Please tell me the right answer.


Would authorship of scientific papers be a way?


As you can see in the post above, dear, no.

Again, how did they calculate the average IQ of India? They haven't even rolled out electricity to much of the country.


I think you're wondering about their potential IQ


They certainly have a large percentage of Muselmen, no?

Have you read Templer's charts? Can you make out the national percentage of Muslims? How is India's Muslim population mixed in with Lebanon or Singapore or Malaysia's Muslim population? Their populations are not solely Muslim. Were the tests done according to religion and cross referenced? How many were tested per head of population? What methadology is used? What's the accuracy?

FD knows all the answers, but he's not saying.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #257 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:56pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:45pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:39pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:32pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:28pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:22pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:19pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:19pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:17pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:15pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:12pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:09pm:
Thats just an opinion Karnal, nothing there refutes the facts. And it is a fact that majority Muslim  countries have low mean IQs, Regardless of Templemans agenda, this is fact.


How do you measure the IQ of a population, Ian?

I'm curious.
You are allegedly an intelligent man. Take an educated guess.


An estimate?

go on then.


That's my answer, Ian.
Its the wrong answer, but keep trying. Smiley


How do you discover the average IQ of a country like India, Ian? Or Afghanistan?

Please tell me the right answer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence


Oh, I see.

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The 1981 article "Average IQ values in various European countries" by Vinko Buj is the only international IQ study that has compared IQs using the same IQ test over a short time period. It was probably completed in the 1970s and compared the capital cities or biggest towns in 21 European countries and Ghana.[2]

Researchers believe the data from this study are of dubious quality: except for a two-page-long publication, nothing about the study detail nor the author is known. The author didn't even work at a university.[3] However, according to the Croatian newspaper website Slobodna Dalmacija, Vinko Buj spent many years in training in Germany, specializing in clinical (medical) psychology in 1977, and later received his doctorate of psychological sciences at the University of Hamburg.[4] Nevertheless, the data yielded correlations with student assessment studies of only around -.10 to .07. Hence, the figures in the study do not seem to be ideal for studies on differences within Europe.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_and_intelligence#IQ_of_various_European_co...
You should have taken time to read the article more thoroughly, if you had you would have realised you focused on the criticism of the only IQ test which compared European countries and 1 African . regardless, IQ variations are accepted as fact by the scientific community, the only debate is to why they exist. So try harder. Im not going to enter a debate as to whether they exist, thats been done and dusted any number of times. And if you dont know that then you shouldnt even be approaching this subject.


So how are nations tested?
why dont you just read the article if you dont know this stuff?
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n the 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations, and the 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality, Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen created estimates of average IQs for 113 nations and estimated the IQs of 79 other nations based on neighboring nations and other manners. They also created an estimate of "quality of human conditions" for each nation based on gross national product per capita, adult literacy rate, the fraction of the population enrolled in secondary education, life expectancy, and rate of democratization. Lynn and Vanhanen found a substantial correlation between the national IQ scores they created and these various socioeconomic factors. They conclude that national IQ influences these measures of well-being and that national differences in IQ are heavily influenced by genetics, although they also allow for some environmental contributions. They regard nutrition as the most important environmental factor, and education a secondary factor.[6]

Though the collection has been praised as "landmark" by Rindermann,[7] the books and their argument have been roundly criticized on methodological and analytical grounds: for some countries, test samples were very small or unrepresentative, different tests were used by different researchers conducting the test surveys, measurements of intelligence stem from different years (although the authors tried to correct this), and missing data was estimated by using unweighted arithmetic means used for neighboring countries with similar people.[7][8][9][10][11]

In a 2010 paper, Lynn updated his estimates of national IQs from IQ and Global Inequality and presented new estimated national IQs for 25 countries, which had previously only been estimated from neighboring nations.[12] Lynn and Vanhanen updated their estimates again in the 2013 book Intelligence: A Unifying Construct for the Social Sciences.[13]

International student assessment studies[edit]
Regarding several methodology issues of IQ and the Wealth of Nations, Hunt and Wittmann compared contemporary educational data from the Program for International Student Assessment with national wealth. They concluded that Lynn and Vanhanen's empirical conclusion is correct, but they questioned the simple explanation that national intelligence causes national wealth.[14]

In 2010, Lynn and Meisenberg integrated all the international studies of
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #258 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:57pm
 
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Reply #259 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:58pm
 
as i stated, theres really no disagreement that IQ differences exist, just as to what causes these differences.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #260 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:00pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:57pm:
Kill them.
Yes, we know. you have nothing.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #261 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:00pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:57pm:
Kill them.


Either way your average IQ is 81 as displayed.
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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below.  Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #262 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:01pm
 
What were you saying, Ian?

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n the 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations, and the 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality, Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen created estimates of average IQs for 113 nations and estimated the IQs of 79 other nations based on neighboring nations and other manners. They also created an estimate of "quality of human conditions" for each nation based on gross national product per capita, adult literacy rate, the fraction of the population enrolled in secondary education, life expectancy, and rate of democratization. Lynn and Vanhanen found a substantial correlation between the national IQ scores they created and these various socioeconomic factors. They conclude that national IQ influences these measures of well-being and that national differences in IQ are heavily influenced by genetics, although they also allow for some environmental contributions. They regard nutrition as the most important environmental factor, and education a secondary factor.[6]

Though the collection has been praised as "landmark" by Rindermann,[7] the books and their argument have been roundly criticized on methodological and analytical grounds: for some countries, test samples were very small or unrepresentative, different tests were used by different researchers conducting the test surveys, measurements of intelligence stem from different years (although the authors tried to correct this), and missing data was estimated by using unweighted arithmetic means used for neighboring countries with similar people.[7][8][9][10][11]

In a 2010 paper, Lynn updated his estimates of national IQs from IQ and Global Inequality and presented new estimated national IQs for 25 countries, which had previously only been estimated from neighboring nations.[12] Lynn and Vanhanen updated their estimates again in the 2013 book Intelligence: A Unifying Construct for the Social Sciences.[13]

International student assessment studies[edit]
Regarding several methodology issues of IQ and the Wealth of Nations, Hunt and Wittmann compared contemporary educational data from the Program for International Student Assessment with national wealth. They concluded that Lynn and Vanhanen's empirical conclusion is correct, but they questioned the simple explanation that national intelligence causes national wealth.[14]
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Reply #263 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:01pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm:

I'd be happy to accept racial differences if they could be proven, but I doubt you'll prove a racial difference in cognition.

 

he doesnt have prove it, its already been proved.
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Reply #264 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:02pm
 
Cesterete them.
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Reply #265 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:05pm
 
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:58pm:
as i stated, theres really no disagreement that IQ differences exist, just as to what causes these differences.


Differences exist in what? Nations? Races? Religions? Classes? FD's genetically inferior subgroups?

Please explain.
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Reply #266 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:06pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:01pm:
What were you saying, Ian?

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n the 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations, and the 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality, Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen created estimates of average IQs for 113 nations and estimated the IQs of 79 other nations based on neighboring nations and other manners. They also created an estimate of "quality of human conditions" for each nation based on gross national product per capita, adult literacy rate, the fraction of the population enrolled in secondary education, life expectancy, and rate of democratization. Lynn and Vanhanen found a substantial correlation between the national IQ scores they created and these various socioeconomic factors. They conclude that national IQ influences these measures of well-being and that national differences in IQ are heavily influenced by genetics, although they also allow for some environmental contributions. They regard nutrition as the most important environmental factor, and education a secondary factor.[6]

Though the collection has been praised as "landmark" by Rindermann,[7] the books and their argument have been roundly criticized on methodological and analytical grounds: for some countries, test samples were very small or unrepresentative, different tests were used by different researchers conducting the test surveys, measurements of intelligence stem from different years (although the authors tried to correct this), and missing data was estimated by using unweighted arithmetic means used for neighboring countries with similar people.[7][8][9][10][11]

In a 2010 paper, Lynn updated his estimates of national IQs from IQ and Global Inequality and presented new estimated national IQs for 25 countries, which had previously only been estimated from neighboring nations.[12] Lynn and Vanhanen updated their estimates again in the 2013 book Intelligence: A Unifying Construct for the Social Sciences.[13]

International student assessment studies[edit]
Regarding several methodology issues of IQ and the Wealth of Nations, Hunt and Wittmann compared contemporary educational data from the Program for International Student Assessment with national wealth. They concluded that Lynn and Vanhanen's empirical conclusion is correct, but they questioned the simple explanation that national intelligence causes national wealth.[14]


So you've settled on "estimates", eh?
Ive settled on current scientific agreement. Maybe you should. The arguement that there is no IQ difference between racial groups is going nowhere. Its been done and dusted,.Heres a hint for you to go off and learn, the U.S.
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Reply #267 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:07pm
 
It is an interest experiment even to read the muslims response in this thread. Absolutely no acknowledgement of the problem. Absolutely no debate on how to solve it. Just a rant on racism and how to abuse the author, anything to avoid the hard facts.

I think its more the fact they don't want to face the fact of a low IQ. A low IQ would not help this either. The first step to a higher IQ is acknowledging a low IQ then make a plan if you want a higher IQ. If not there is no shame having a low IQ we are all different. It just good practice to not get involved when people of a higher IQ are discussing at a higher intellectual level or you just come across as stupid.
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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below.  Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #268 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:43pm:
My mistake. Yes I accept that racism involves ascribing negative qualities to races. What is your point?


So you accept humans form certain distinctive genetic sub-groups that manifests itself as different coloured skin, slanty eyes etc that you call "races". Yet when the same process (supposedly) manifests itself as lower IQ - which you seem very keen to accept - its suddenly not about race.

Is it because you are only comfortable with racism that doesn't involve muslims?
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Reply #269 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:08pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:02pm:
Cesterete them.


Do you know your IQ do you come close to 80 ?
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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below.  Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes
 
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