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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #270 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:08pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:05pm:
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:58pm:
as i stated, theres really no disagreement that IQ differences exist, just as to what causes these differences.


Differences exist in what? Nations? Races? Religions? Classes? FD's genetically inferior subgroups?

Please explain.

All of these. You need to learn a bit more about this. you arent up to my standard in this debate unfortuanately, you dont yet understand the basics.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #271 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:09pm
 
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:06pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:01pm:
What were you saying, Ian?

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n the 2002 book IQ and the Wealth of Nations, and the 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality, Richard Lynn and Tatu Vanhanen created estimates of average IQs for 113 nations and estimated the IQs of 79 other nations based on neighboring nations and other manners. They also created an estimate of "quality of human conditions" for each nation based on gross national product per capita, adult literacy rate, the fraction of the population enrolled in secondary education, life expectancy, and rate of democratization. Lynn and Vanhanen found a substantial correlation between the national IQ scores they created and these various socioeconomic factors. They conclude that national IQ influences these measures of well-being and that national differences in IQ are heavily influenced by genetics, although they also allow for some environmental contributions. They regard nutrition as the most important environmental factor, and education a secondary factor.[6]

Though the collection has been praised as "landmark" by Rindermann,[7] the books and their argument have been roundly criticized on methodological and analytical grounds: for some countries, test samples were very small or unrepresentative, different tests were used by different researchers conducting the test surveys, measurements of intelligence stem from different years (although the authors tried to correct this), and missing data was estimated by using unweighted arithmetic means used for neighboring countries with similar people.[7][8][9][10][11]

In a 2010 paper, Lynn updated his estimates of national IQs from IQ and Global Inequality and presented new estimated national IQs for 25 countries, which had previously only been estimated from neighboring nations.[12] Lynn and Vanhanen updated their estimates again in the 2013 book Intelligence: A Unifying Construct for the Social Sciences.[13]

International student assessment studies[edit]
Regarding several methodology issues of IQ and the Wealth of Nations, Hunt and Wittmann compared contemporary educational data from the Program for International Student Assessment with national wealth. They concluded that Lynn and Vanhanen's empirical conclusion is correct, but they questioned the simple explanation that national intelligence causes national wealth.[14]


So you've settled on "estimates", eh?
Ive settled on current scientific agreement. Maybe you should. The arguement that there is no IQ difference between racial groups is going nowhere. Its been done and dusted,.Heres a hint for you to go off and learn, the U.S.


No no, we're discussing the source of those claims, Ian. How do they work out the IQ of a race?

Not saying, eh?
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #272 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:10pm
 
Sir James wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:02pm:
Cesterete them.


Do you know your IQ do you come close to 80 ?


I'm not sure, Matty, I've never been tested.

The Pakistani race doesn't have my score in there, so unfair.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #273 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:10pm:
15 pages in, and I am still waiting for someone to contradict the claims made in the opening post. At least we have moved on from insults.


If you're talking about the Templer article - how about we talk about his stated view that the best determiner of IQ is skin colour?

Sound reputable to you FD?
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #274 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:15pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:12pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:10pm:
15 pages in, and I am still waiting for someone to contradict the claims made in the opening post. At least we have moved on from insults.


If you're talking about the Templer article - how about we talk about his stated view that the best determiner of IQ is skin colour?

Sound reputable to you FD?


FD didn't read that bit, G.

Anyway, skin colour's not a race.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #275 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:10pm:
Sir James wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:02pm:
Cesterete them.


Do you know your IQ do you come close to 80 ?


I'm not sure, Matty, I've never been tested.

The Pakistani race doesn't have my score in there, so unfair.


So muslims have an average of 81 , you are muslim so that would be your average.

How do you feel about that ?

Does calling people a muslim aka matty make you feel like you have one up ? If so why I am curious it just seems very child like to me.

Do you acknowledge its child like ?
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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below.  Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes
 
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #276 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?


Please tell us how he could possibly be right, FD.

And when you've done that, tell us all how you could not possibly be racist yourself after your conversion to neo-Nazi racial theories.


Hypothetically if a racists was to discover cognitive differences between different races and they were peer reviewed would you accept the results regardless of how unpalatable they are?


A racial supremacist like Templer could never be peer reviewed in a mainstream publication, you should know that.

I'd be happy to accept racial differences if they could be proven, but I doubt you'll prove a racial difference in cognition.

Interesting that you're championing this idea though, Gordy - for an avowed non-racist.


Come on Karnal. I've told you over and over again. I blame the software
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #277 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:22pm
 
Sir James wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:10pm:
Sir James wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:02pm:
Cesterete them.


Do you know your IQ do you come close to 80 ?


I'm not sure, Matty, I've never been tested.

The Pakistani race doesn't have my score in there, so unfair.


So muslims have an average of 81 , you are muslim so that would be your average.

How do you feel about that ?



I'm not a Muslim, Matty.

Worse - I'm an apologist.
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #278 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:22pm:
Sir James wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:17pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:10pm:
Sir James wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:08pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:02pm:
Cesterete them.


Do you know your IQ do you come close to 80 ?


I'm not sure, Matty, I've never been tested.

The Pakistani race doesn't have my score in there, so unfair.


So muslims have an average of 81 , you are muslim so that would be your average.

How do you feel about that ?



I'm not a Muslim, Matty.

Worse - I'm an apologist.



So now you're not a muslim since the IQ Report was posted.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Does calling people a muslim aka matty make you feel like you have one up ? If so why I am curious it just seems very child like to me.

Do you acknowledge its child like ?
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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below.  Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #279 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:25pm
 
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?


Please tell us how he could possibly be right, FD.

And when you've done that, tell us all how you could not possibly be racist yourself after your conversion to neo-Nazi racial theories.


Hypothetically if a racists was to discover cognitive differences between different races and they were peer reviewed would you accept the results regardless of how unpalatable they are?


A racial supremacist like Templer could never be peer reviewed in a mainstream publication, you should know that.

I'd be happy to accept racial differences if they could be proven, but I doubt you'll prove a racial difference in cognition.

Interesting that you're championing this idea though, Gordy - for an avowed non-racist.


Come on Karnal. I've told you over and over again. I blame the software


The Negroid genes?
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Re: Muslim's have a mean IQ of 81
Reply #280 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:30pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:49pm:
GordyL wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:38pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:30pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 10:26pm:
Do any of the apologists here think it is more important to prove the author wrong than to prove he is racist?


Please tell us how he could possibly be right, FD.

And when you've done that, tell us all how you could not possibly be racist yourself after your conversion to neo-Nazi racial theories.


Hypothetically if a racists was to discover cognitive differences between different races and they were peer reviewed would you accept the results regardless of how unpalatable they are?


A racial supremacist like Templer could never be peer reviewed in a mainstream publication, you should know that.

I'd be happy to accept racial differences if they could be proven, but I doubt you'll prove a racial difference in cognition.

Interesting that you're championing this idea though, Gordy - for an avowed non-racist.


Come on Karnal. I've told you over and over again. I blame the software


The Negroid jeans?


You mean the baggy kind that rap singers wear?
I'm more of a cargo pants kinda guy.
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Reply #281 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:32pm
 
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
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No no, we're discussing the source of those claims, Ian. How do they work out the IQ of a race?

Not saying, eh?

Your deflection isnt working. these arent claims. They are scientific fact. You would have more credibility if you questioned them on something like nutritional differences, or cultural bias. But you havent reached that level of knowledge yet.
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Reply #282 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:34pm
 
Karnal I'll ask again.

Does calling people a muslim aka matty make you feel like you have one up ? If so why? I am curious.

Do you acknowledge its a child like response along with
"Ban Them" over and over on this forum ?
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matty = muslim with a mat collection, invented by the intellectual giants with an IQ of 81 or below.  Yeah its such a gotcha , I know. Roll Eyes
 
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Reply #283 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:43pm
 
Sir James wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:34pm:
Karnal I'll ask again.

Does calling people a muslim aka matty make you feel like you have one up ? If so why? I am curious.

Do you acknowledge its a child like response along with
"Ban Them" over and over on this forum ?


It gets as boring as an old burqa
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Reply #284 - Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:43pm
 
ian wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:32pm:
Karnal wrote on Apr 16th, 2016 at 11:09pm:
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No no, we're discussing the source of those claims, Ian. How do they work out the IQ of a race?

Not saying, eh?

Your deflection isnt working. these arent claims. They are scientific fact. You would have more credibility if you questioned them on something like nutritional differences, or cultural bias. But you havent reached that level of knowledge yet.


And how do they disover these unquestionable facts, Ian? I'm trying to understand your superior knowledge.

What do you think of Ian's logic, FD? One of the Nazi sites that championed Templer's work called him a true ubermenchen.
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