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Reply #240 - May 3rd, 2016 at 7:48pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Israelis are not invading their homes and slaughtering them with knives.
Israel has bent over backwards to give up land to that mob and has received nothing but aggression in return.



Maybe not knives but everything else you said is a fairy-tale.
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Reply #241 - May 3rd, 2016 at 7:48pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:46pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Israel has bent over backwards to give up land to that mob and has received nothing but aggression in return.



yeah ... quite some contortion-ism going on there

448 children killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza, UN says

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/448-children-killed-israel
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Hamas kills the many who oppose them  Smiley
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Reply #242 - May 3rd, 2016 at 7:49pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Didn't a bunch of muslim countries mount a massive army a bunch of times in a bid to drive the jews into the sea??



quite possible ... afterall, they don't like the Jews. That doesn't mean the Jews are saints

Funny that. We don't have a right to dislike Muslims but you think it's just dandy when the jews cop it from the mussos.
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Reply #243 - May 3rd, 2016 at 7:53pm
 
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:35pm:
Aussie wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:22pm:
1947 Partition in India.  Two way street.....more had to move than are in Israel today.

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Love a bit of revisionist history. Just airbrush out slaughters and riots and there's your new story.
No killings. Forcible moves. Homes set on fire. Just a peaceful move between two lands.


I'm well aware of the history and you can probably readily understand why.  What you say is correct.  The Poms were moving out, leaving a power vacuum, the shitfight was on, and Partition was the 'solution.'  Much short term pain, but long term gain.....and mass migrations of many more millions than there are Isrealis.
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Reply #244 - May 3rd, 2016 at 7:57pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Didn't a bunch of muslim countries mount a massive army a bunch of times in a bid to drive the jews into the sea??



quite possible ... afterall, they don't like the Jews. That doesn't mean the Jews are saints

Funny that. We don't have a right to dislike Muslims but you think it's just dandy when the jews cop it from the mussos.




Well i for one would prefer terms such as Muslims and Jews weren't used to describe the bad behaviour of some of their representatives.

This has been my point all along. I grow weary of making it.

There are millions of Jews who do not support Israel. There are millions of Muslims who do not support terrorists.

Why can't we call a Zionist a Zionist and an oppressive regime an oppressive regime.

There's no need to tar the entire populace with the same brush.
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Reply #245 - May 3rd, 2016 at 7:59pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Didn't a bunch of muslim countries mount a massive army a bunch of times in a bid to drive the jews into the sea??



quite possible ... afterall, they don't like the Jews. That doesn't mean the Jews are saints

Funny that. We don't have a right to dislike Muslims but you think it's just dandy when the jews cop it from the mussos.



who said you haven't a right to dislike them?
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Reply #246 - May 3rd, 2016 at 8:00pm
 
GordyL wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:48pm:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:46pm:
Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Israel has bent over backwards to give up land to that mob and has received nothing but aggression in return.



yeah ... quite some contortion-ism going on there

448 children killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza, UN says

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/448-children-killed-israel
i-attacks-gaza-un-says


Hamas kills the many who oppose them  Smiley



I'm sure they do ... I'm not defending what Hamas does ... just please lets not pretend the Israelis are victims in all this.
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Reply #247 - May 3rd, 2016 at 8:04pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
John Smith wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:45pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:43pm:
Didn't a bunch of muslim countries mount a massive army a bunch of times in a bid to drive the jews into the sea??



quite possible ... afterall, they don't like the Jews. That doesn't mean the Jews are saints

Funny that. We don't have a right to dislike Muslims but you think it's just dandy when the jews cop it from the mussos.


The left have an absolute hard on for the Muslims, they spread their collective cheeks and submitted a long time ago.  I suspect that unlike Christians or Jews, which the left have no problems denigrating, the left are sympathetic to islamic anti-western sentiment.
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Reply #248 - May 3rd, 2016 at 8:55pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 8:19pm:
Frank wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 8:14pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:53pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 30th, 2016 at 6:46pm:
Its time wrote on Apr 29th, 2016 at 9:42pm:
The ME is for Arabs , futile Israel trying to settle when all their neighbours hate them with a passion , cant imagine why  Roll Eyes, tasmania way to close for my liking , i can turn a blind eye if Australia gives them.heard or mcdonald island .



Well, can we then KEEP all Arabs in the Middle East? Don't let them into Western countries. Let them all stay in the Middle East.



The Arabs are not the source problem.  Israel is. 



Who is doing all the suicide bombing in Paris, Brusseles, London, Bombay, Madrid, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan - not Israelis.


Islam is the problem, everywhere you look.




I'm looking at Arabia...and there, Israel is the problem.

How is Israel a problem? Arabs in Israel are freer and have more rights and representation than in any Arab country.

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Reply #249 - May 3rd, 2016 at 8:56pm
 
freediver wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 6:14pm:
Aussie wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 10:13pm:
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 10:08pm:
Aussie wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 8:58pm:
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 8:50pm:
Aussie wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 7:52pm:
freediver wrote on May 2nd, 2016 at 7:49pm:
So why would we prefer Jews over yellow tints Aussie?


I feel better about national security if there were Israelis as my immediate neighbour.

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Can you cite any precedents of 8 million people all voluntarily agreeing to move half way round the world at the same time?


No.....someone had to invent the wheel.


OK, how about just 1 million people?


Same issue.  Different logistics.


True. How about 100 000? That would be easy by comparison, right? I bet we do that all the time, price of peace and all that....


Same issue ~ different logistics.  Just do the same thing whatever times over with a greater number, while ensuring a strong defence of those diminishing numbers waiting to be moved.


Wow, you are turning out to be some visionary Aussie. But just to prove it can be done, can you give a few examples of 10 000 people doing this voluntarily? Then you would only have to repeat this feat 800 times over, all at the same time, without hickup, and viola, peace on earth! Things really do seem easier when you break them into small steps.


Aussie wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 6:58pm:
freediver wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 6:55pm:
I'm sure you'll have no trouble at all digging up those examples Aussie. Surely the world has seen at least one visionary of 1/800th your visonariability.


I doubt there has been one  (maybe this one is close when you consider how many Muslims moved out on India and into East and West Pakistan) but.....someone invented the wheel, as I have already pointed out to you.

During WW11 I'll bet many hundreds of thousands, if not millions were moved all over the Planet.  It is simple logistics, and not insurmountable in the absence of a defeatist negative attitude like you have.


Aussie wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 7:22pm:
1947 Partition in India.  Two way street.....more had to move than are in Israel today.

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That's incredible Aussie. And it was all voluntary? Who says people can't just get along eh?
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Reply #250 - May 3rd, 2016 at 8:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 1st, 2016 at 9:05pm:
I guess you were born after 1967.

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Brilliant. Don't mobilise on Israel's border if you are a hostile power.

Holocaust - never again. Believe it. Your arse will be severly and mercilessly whipped if you don't, as Nasser didn't.


No cure for being thick and hubristic except a sever whipping. Which he received.






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Reply #251 - May 3rd, 2016 at 9:05pm
 
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That's incredible Aussie. And it was all voluntary? Who says people can't just get along eh?


I'm not saying that was a seamless transition, and Israel could learn from it.

It was motivated by the Poms moving out and politically lead by Ghandi and Muhammad Ali Jinnah.   Very complex as i am sure you know, but in the end...where there is a will there is a way.
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Reply #252 - May 3rd, 2016 at 9:20pm
 
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I'm not saying that was a seamless transition, and Israel could learn from it.


Learn what? Move or die? What are you going to do when they decline your offer? Accept reality?
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Reply #253 - May 3rd, 2016 at 9:33pm
 
freediver wrote on May 3rd, 2016 at 9:20pm:
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I'm not saying that was a seamless transition, and Israel could learn from it.


Learn what? Move or die? What are you going to do when they decline your offer? Accept reality?


How many times have I said that I am not proposing anything be forced on Israel.  I am suggesting its political leaders take an obvious decision to vacate voluntarily.
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Reply #254 - May 3rd, 2016 at 10:13pm
 
On behalf of their people? Do you think Israel would be acceptable without its leaders? Or do you think the leaders should round all the Jews up and stick them on a train to Van Diemen's land? Is that the final version of your solution?
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