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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #345 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:15pm

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Who would you see as true love. Someone that just turned up because they loved you and looked after you and wanted to be your friend. Or someone you paid to do that for money ?

Someone who does that of free will is an honest real companion and not a gold digger.

The point is, that your supposedly omniscient god doesn't look after us. He leaves us to our own devices... almost exactly like he wasn't there at all. In fact, what you're saying, if you claim he created the universe, and is omniscient, is that he made us to deliberately torture, for our own good.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #346 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:23pm

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:15pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 10:28pm:

Who would you see as true love. Someone that just turned up because they loved you and looked after you and wanted to be your friend. Or someone you paid to do that for money ?

Someone who does that of free will is an honest real companion and not a gold digger.

The point is, that your supposedly omniscient god doesn't look after us. He leaves us to our own devices... almost exactly like he wasn't there at all. In fact, what you're saying, if you claim he created the universe, and is omniscient, is that he made us to deliberately torture, for our own good.

Not at all, why should He look after you if you reject Him ?
Just as if you ran away from home to live in squalor of your own choosing and you reject he is your father.

There are many Christians that can testify how God looked after them. I know many stories. So that is just your opinion that He doesn't look after His children. Yet His blessings still fall on unbelievers as well, the cool wind, rain , sunshine.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #348 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:32pm

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

Pfft, like only non-believers get the shaft Roll Eyes

It's not that hard to understand, why should you get blessed and looked after when you reject your own father. Of course non-believers get the shaft, they shaft themselves , God doesn't shaft them. Its their choice not His.

In fact you should read the story of the prodical Son to see how God waits for them to come home so they can rejoice together and He can bless them..

Regardless of how THEY SHAFT Him.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #349 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:34pm

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:32pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

Pfft, like only non-believers get the shaft Roll Eyes

It's not that hard to understand, why should you get blessed and looked after when you reject your own father. Of course non-believers get the shaft, they shaft themselves , God doesn't shaft them. Its their choice not His.

In fact you should read the story of the prodical Son to see how God waits for them to come home so they can rejoice together and He can bless them..

Regardless of how THEY SHAFT Him.

That's not what Boxy is saying. Boxy is saying that bad things happen to "good" Christians too.

How is that God looking after his chosen ones?

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #351 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:40pm

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:32pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

Pfft, like only non-believers get the shaft Roll Eyes

It's not that hard to understand, why should you get blessed and looked after when you reject your own father. Of course non-believers get the shaft, they shaft themselves , God doesn't shaft them. Its their choice not His.

In fact you should read the story of the prodical Son to see how God waits for them to come home so they can rejoice together and He can bless them..

Regardless of how THEY SHAFT Him.

That's not what Boxy is saying. Boxy is saying that bad things happen to "good" Christians too.

How is that God looking after his chosen ones?

Boxy can speak for himself thanks.

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Reply #352 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:43pm

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:40pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:32pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

Pfft, like only non-believers get the shaft Roll Eyes

It's not that hard to understand, why should you get blessed and looked after when you reject your own father. Of course non-believers get the shaft, they shaft themselves , God doesn't shaft them. Its their choice not His.

In fact you should read the story of the prodical Son to see how God waits for them to come home so they can rejoice together and He can bless them..

Regardless of how THEY SHAFT Him.

That's not what Boxy is saying. Boxy is saying that bad things happen to "good" Christians too.

How is that God looking after his chosen ones?

Boxy can speak for himself thanks.

He did. Twice.

You're evading.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #353 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:43pm

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

My point, obviously, was that even believers get a life full of pain and suffering. Perhaps you are isolated from it, in your cosy, secular western city apartment?

The true believers, in their third world shitholes may be able to tell you about real suffering?

He's just testing them, because you know, he already knows their hearts but a bit of vivisection is good for the soul. There are lots of Lots. Nothing like a bit of suffering to show how much god loves you.

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Reply #354 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:46pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

My point, obviously, was that even believers get a life full of pain and suffering. Perhaps you are isolated from it, in your cosy, secular western city apartment?

The true believers, in their third world shitholes may be able to tell you about real suffering?

He's just testing them, because you know, he already knows their hearts but a bit of vivisection is good for the soul. There are lots of Lots.

And all those kids with terminal illnesses. Just being called up to be angels i suppose?

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Reply #355 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:47pm

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

My point, obviously, was that even believers get a life full of pain and suffering. Perhaps you are isolated from it, in your cosy, secular western city apartment?

The true believers, in their third world shitholes may be able to tell you about real suffering?

He's just testing them, because you know, he already knows their hearts but a bit of vivisection is good for the soul. There are lots of Lots.

And all those kids with terminal illnesses. Just being called up to be angels i suppose?

What else could it be?

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #356 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:48pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

My point, obviously, was that even believers get a life full of pain and suffering. Perhaps you are isolated from it, in your cosy, secular western city apartment?

The true believers, in their third world shitholes may be able to tell you about real suffering?

He's just testing them, because you know, he already knows their hearts but a bit of vivisection is good for the soul. There are lots of Lots.

And all those kids with terminal illnesses. Just being called up to be angels i suppose?

What else could it be?

God is sleeping off a almighty hangover that day?

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #357 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:49pm

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

My point, obviously, was that even believers get a life full of pain and suffering. Perhaps you are isolated from it, in your cosy, secular western city apartment?

The true believers, in their third world shitholes may be able to tell you about real suffering?

Why I am well aware of the persecution Christians receive. Jesus never said you were going to drive a limo and live in a mansion with an easy life. He said you will be persecuted because of Him.

Simple demographics make it easier for Christians in countries where that persecution is not so rampant.

Your point wasn't obvious, it is now that you have explained yourself clearer.

Everybody has different lots in life. Mankind is free to migrate to different countries and have children in different circumstances and environments. Mankind is free to totally screw up the world that's why God is shortly going to put an end to it all.

Spiritually all those people you say are living poo lives all have the Holy Spirit inside them something you wouldn't know anything about if you are not a Christian. He is also known as the Comforter and brings a peace in adversity that is surpassed understating as it is written.

The bible also says its not as you think the least will be first and the first least in heaven. Given my circumstances and easy life at the moment I would probably end up the least. Yet I have that peace of spirit and commune with God's Holy Spirit within me.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #358 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:50pm

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

My point, obviously, was that even believers get a life full of pain and suffering. Perhaps you are isolated from it, in your cosy, secular western city apartment?

The true believers, in their third world shitholes may be able to tell you about real suffering?

He's just testing them, because you know, he already knows their hearts but a bit of vivisection is good for the soul. There are lots of Lots.

And all those kids with terminal illnesses. Just being called up to be angels i suppose?

What else could it be?

God is sleeping off a almighty hangover that day?

No, no. He's omniscient... every single child that dies, does so directly because he willed it. They're the rules.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #359 - Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:50pm

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:48pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:47pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:43pm:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

My point, obviously, was that even believers get a life full of pain and suffering. Perhaps you are isolated from it, in your cosy, secular western city apartment?

The true believers, in their third world shitholes may be able to tell you about real suffering?

He's just testing them, because you know, he already knows their hearts but a bit of vivisection is good for the soul. There are lots of Lots.

And all those kids with terminal illnesses. Just being called up to be angels i suppose?

What else could it be?

God is sleeping off a almighty hangover that day?

Day being an interminable amount of time like the days of creation?

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