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Reply #390 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:12am:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

You seem to be avoiding the point (seeing as you finally admitted to understanding it).

Not at all you clarified the point, now in this post you have clarified again that you blame God for how the world works now and nature. Lets see now.

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

God created the universe, and us, and is putting us through these torments, deliberately (given that he has to power to control all).

Who said He is putting you through these torments at all. Mankind sinned and bought sin in to the world not God. Because of the the earth and universe groan for his return the bible says this. now its Gods fault is it ?

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Quite the sadist. Hardly worthy of worship, unless you're a masochist.

I agree mankind is Quiet the Sadist. Hardly worthy of worship, unless you're a masochist.

In that case you would turn to God for help and comfort until he returns to put an end to mankind's conscious decision to bring sin into the world through disobedience.

What did Lot do? A righteous man? Nothing. It was all god being tempted by Satan.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #391 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am:

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:01am:

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:59pm:

I personally object to God being a bloke.

How can a bloke give birth to anything?

Magic! How can a woman give birth to anything without a man?

If God can create the world it doesn't take a genius to work out he can create a child.

As I said... Magic.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35578 Gender:	Re: When i became a Christian Reply #392 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:16am Through disobedience? Most of the world's woes are BECAUSE of obedience. Nobody can agree on what they are supposed to obey. They all think they are "superior" to each other and are perpetually damning each other to whatever passes as eternal suffering. Can you not see a flaw in this logic?
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boxy Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 400 Gender:	Re: When i became a Christian Reply #393 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:18am God created man, and therefore sin. Not sure you understand the concept of omniscience. And our sins, for the majority of our existence on earth, have been minor problems, compared to environmental factors.
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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #394 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:23am

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:16am:

Through disobedience? Most of the world's woes are BECAUSE of obedience.

Nobody can agree on what they are supposed to obey.

They all think they are "superior" to each other and are perpetually damning each other to whatever passes as eternal suffering.

Can you not see a flaw in this logic?

I can, I agree with me! I'm also three persons in one, me myself and I.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #395 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:24am

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:16am:

Through disobedience? Most of the world's woes are BECAUSE of obedience.

Nobody can agree on what they are supposed to obey.

They all think they are "superior" to each other and are perpetually damning each other to whatever passes as eternal suffering.

Can you not see a flaw in this logic?

I can! I'm also three persons in one, me myself and I.

Immaculate conception?

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #396 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:24am

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:24am:

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:23am:

mothra wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:16am:

Through disobedience? Most of the world's woes are BECAUSE of obedience.

Nobody can agree on what they are supposed to obey.

They all think they are "superior" to each other and are perpetually damning each other to whatever passes as eternal suffering.

Can you not see a flaw in this logic?

I can! I'm also three persons in one, me myself and I.

Immaculate conception?

Not a seed spilled, let alone on the ground.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #397 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:25am

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

Perhaps you are the one in need of pulling down. Perhaps the twat is you. Getting upset at anonymous people on the internet for not believing in your god or any god is a bit rich. Who says there is a god? You?

Nice drama queening. Well Done.
I like the way you tried to make out I was upset over you not believing in my God when all along I have said its your choice and you are free not to believe and I am okay with that. So I'd say your own post was a tad rich on drama.

Yeah I say there is a God who says there is not a God ? You ?
If so you are free not to believe that's your decision and I am free to believe.

It's really not a big drama.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

Yes you told us that if we don't follow what you believe we are going to hell.

Incorrect I said if you don't follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ then you chose to go to hell. Deal with it.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

I'm not a sinner, thanks.

According to Christianity you are which is what we are discussing here, if you think you are not then more power to ya.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

God is a sinner.

Your God probably is.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

He's the one tempted bt Satan and gives in to his requests, see Lot.

Really that sounds an intriguing story to say the least well done.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #398 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:26am

boxy wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:04am:

Much like people running around putting shyte on God for no reason or a silly one where God is not acting like their candy man and they can't take responsibility for their own holes they dig that effects everyone else. Much easier to blame God.

Well, I'm not blaming god for the woes of this world, or in my own life... because he's your (inconsistent) fantasy, not mine.

Yet you wouldn't know if He existed or not according to your fantasy. Funny that.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #399 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:28am

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am:

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:12am:

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

You seem to be avoiding the point (seeing as you finally admitted to understanding it).

Not at all you clarified the point, now in this post you have clarified again that you blame God for how the world works now and nature. Lets see now.

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

God created the universe, and us, and is putting us through these torments, deliberately (given that he has to power to control all).

Who said He is putting you through these torments at all. Mankind sinned and bought sin in to the world not God. Because of the the earth and universe groan for his return the bible says this. now its Gods fault is it ?

boxy wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Quite the sadist. Hardly worthy of worship, unless you're a masochist.

I agree mankind is Quiet the Sadist. Hardly worthy of worship, unless you're a masochist.

In that case you would turn to God for help and comfort until he returns to put an end to mankind's conscious decision to bring sin into the world through disobedience.

What did Lot do? A righteous man? Nothing. It was all god being tempted by Satan.

Lot was a righteous man. Big deal. I am not quiet sure how you then go into the rant that somehow God was being tempted by Satan, you make no sense.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #400 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:30am

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am:

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am:

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:01am:

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:59pm:

I personally object to God being a bloke.

How can a bloke give birth to anything?

Magic! How can a woman give birth to anything without a man?

If God can create the world it doesn't take a genius to work out he can create a child.

As I said... Magic.

Magic or sorcery is the use of rituals, symbols, actions, gestures and language with the aim of exploiting supernatural forces.[1][2][3][4] The belief in and practice of magic has been present since the earliest human cultures and continues to have an important spiritual, religious, and medicinal role in many cultures today.[5][6]

Magic is sometimes practiced in isolation and secrecy and often viewed with skepticism and suspicion by the wider community.[4] In non-scientific societies, a perceived magical attack is sometimes employed to explain personal or societal misfortune.[7]

The concept of magic, considered distinct from religion was first widely recognized in Judaism, which defined the practices of pagan worship designed to appease and receive benefits from gods other than Yahweh as magic.[2] Wouter Hanegraaff argues that magic is in fact "a largely polemical concept that has been used by various religious interest groups either to describe their own religious beliefs and practices or – more frequently – to discredit those of others."[3]

The foremost perspectives on magic in anthropology are functionalism, symbolism, and intellectualism.

Magic ? - no.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #401 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:31am

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:25am:

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

Perhaps you are the one in need of pulling down. Perhaps the twat is you. Getting upset at anonymous people on the internet for not believing in your god or any god is a bit rich. Who says there is a god? You?

Nice drama queening. Well Done.
I like the way you tried to make out I was upset over you not believing in my God when all along I have said its your choice and you are free not to believe and I am okay with that. So I'd say your own post was a tad rich on drama.

Yeah I say there is a God who says there is not a God ? You ?
If so you are free not to believe that's your decision and I am free to believe.

It's really not a big drama.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

Yes you told us that if we don't follow what you believe we are going to hell.

Incorrect I said if you don't follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ then you chose to go to hell. Deal with it.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

I'm not a sinner, thanks.

According to Christianity you are which is what we are discussing here, if you think you are not then more power to ya.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

God is a sinner.

Your God probably is.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:09am:

He's the one tempted bt Satan and gives in to his requests, see Lot.

Really that sounds an intriguing story to say the least well done.

Ash, if turning your own finger back on you is drama queening, you've lost the plot.

Correct because what you believe is that we must follow the Gospel. Ergo...

Your god is a sinner and a giver in to temptation and lets other righteous men be tortured, their families killed, be afflicted with pox, just to win a bet with Satan, what a set up Satan did on your God.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #402 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:36am

boxy wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:18am:

God created man, and therefore sin. Not sure you understand the concept of omniscience.

And our sins, for the majority of our existence on earth, have been minor problems, compared to environmental factors.

Incorrect, God created man with the option for Him to choose to Sin. The fact a God knows what you may choose does not mean He is choosing. Deal with it. Mankind always has a problem sleeping in his own bed that he makes. He always needs to blame someone or something else rather than own it. Its easier too sook and cry than own it.

Yet the bible talks able environmental factors that sin effects yet you are oblivious to the fact. You seem also oblivious to the fact if mankind screws up the environment that he shouldn't own it and sleep in it.

You want your nappy changed by God yet all you do is moan about him not being your magician.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #403 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:43am

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:30am:

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am:

Ashley wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:14am:

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:01am:

mothra wrote on Apr 30^th, 2016 at 11:59pm:

I personally object to God being a bloke.

How can a bloke give birth to anything?

Magic! How can a woman give birth to anything without a man?

If God can create the world it doesn't take a genius to work out he can create a child.

As I said... Magic.

Magic or sorcery is the use of rituals, symbols, actions, gestures and language with the aim of exploiting supernatural forces.[1][2][3][4] The belief in and practice of magic has been present since the earliest human cultures and continues to have an important spiritual, religious, and medicinal role in many cultures today.[5][6]

Magic is sometimes practiced in isolation and secrecy and often viewed with skepticism and suspicion by the wider community.[4] In non-scientific societies, a perceived magical attack is sometimes employed to explain personal or societal misfortune.[7]

The concept of magic, considered distinct from religion was first widely recognized in Judaism, which defined the practices of pagan worship designed to appease and receive benefits from gods other than Yahweh as magic.[2] Wouter Hanegraaff argues that magic is in fact "a largely polemical concept that has been used by various religious interest groups either to describe their own religious beliefs and practices or – more frequently – to discredit those of others."[3]

The foremost perspectives on magic in anthropology are functionalism, symbolism, and intellectualism.

Magic ? - no.

How do you know this isn't what your god did to hoodwink you? Think about it, if you created people to think for themselves, would you want sheep? No, you would cherish the ones that used that free will and gift of mind. Yet, here you are, a sheep. Satan is the great deceiver? Not a minor one? Have you ever thought you are being deceived? Lucifer, the morning star.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #404 - May 1^st, 2016 at 12:44am

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:31am:

Ash, if turning your own finger back on you is drama queening, you've lost the plot.

Turn my own finger back on me ? you have not done so yet.
You drama queened deal with it.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:31am:

Correct because what you believe is that we must follow the Gospel. Ergo...

What I believe may have fault because of many reasons. The basic Gospel message does not have fault so that's why I have NEVER said believe me but believe JESUS. Try as you may to put words into my mouth you won't.

Setanta wrote on May 1^st, 2016 at 12:31am:

Your god is a sinner and a giver in to temptation and lets other righteous men be tortured, their families killed, be afflicted with pox, just to win a bet with Satan, what a set up Satan did on your God.

If that's what you think then don't believe in Him I fail to see your problem. Clearly you have no idea what a sinner is.

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