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Reply #75 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:18pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not all Muslims behave impeccably but on the whole it's a religion of good people.

How so when they believe in a book that they believe is from god that tells them to kill non believers and threatens them with death if they leave the cult ?

The same way most Christians and Jews ignore the barbarism in their books.

Really where is the Barbarianism that Jesus taught for Christians we all know the Barbarianism that the muslim god taught the muslims ?

You do realise the bible is more than the new testament? What did Moses do to those that didn't like his god and decided to build a golden calf?

You do realize the Bible is made up of two testaments. The first being the first covenant the wages of sin was death. In all cases in the old testament and covenant the recipients were well aware of the wages of sin and willfully committed the sin in full knowledge of what the ramifications would be. Hence the documented moses story and others.

The second/last testament/covenant being the new covenant between God and man through God's Son Jesus Christ. Hence the word Christian that YOU used. The Quran on the other hand has no such covenants hence its violent teachings are applicable today. Regarding the Bible since God so Loved the world He gave His only Son to pay the price for all our Sin and on the third day He(Jesus) rose again and who so ever believes in Him will have eternal life. That's hardy telling you to commit violence against non believers.

Now since this is God's covenant between Him and mankind through His son Jesus who's teachings are in the New Testament I'd stick to quoting the violence He taught when referring to Christians since you bought up Christians.

Muslims stick to allahs and mohammeds teachings.
Christians stick to Jesus Christs, hence the word Christ in Christian.

Lets not clutch at straws here shall we. Well all know why you only roll out the old covenant, and that's because you cannot fault Jesus Christs Teachings.

Comparing the doctrine of the islamic text to Christianities is pointless, they are at different ends of the spectrum to each other.

As muslims stick to the teachings of the guy that wrote the quran the terrorism and debauchery and violence sticks.
That's why there is no muslim apologist that can refute scriptures used by muslims fulfilling what their book says.

Hence my comment.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #76 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not all Muslims behave impeccably but on the whole it's a religion of good people.

How so when they believe in a book that they believe is from god that tells them to kill non believers and threatens them with death if they leave the cult ?

The same way most Christians and Jews ignore the barbarism in their books.

Really where is the Barbarianism that Jesus taught for Christians we all know the Barbarianism that the muslim god taught the muslims ?

You do realise the bible is more than the new testament? What did Moses do to those that didn't like his god and decided to build a golden calf?

You do realize the Bible is made up of two testaments. The first being the first covenant the wages of sin was death. In all cases in the old testament and covenant the recipients were well aware of the wages of sin and willfully committed the sin in full knowledge of what the ramifications would be. Hence the documented moses story and others.

The second/last testament/covenant being the new covenant between God and man through God's Son Jesus Christ. Hence the word Christian that YOU used. The Quran on the other hand has no such covenants hence its violent teachings are applicable today. Regarding the Bible since God so Loved the world He gave His only Son to pay the price for all our Sin and on the third day He(Jesus) rose again and who so ever believes in Him will have eternal life. That's hardy telling you to commit violence against non believers.

Now since this is God's covenant between Him and mankind through His son Jesus who's teachings are in the New Testament I'd stick to quoting the violence He taught when referring to Christians since you bought up Christians.

Muslims stick to allahs and mohammeds teachings.
Christians stick to Jesus Christs, hence the word Christ in Christian.

Lets not clutch at straws here shall we. Well all know why you only roll out the old covenant, and that's because you cannot fault Jesus Christs Teachings.

Comparing the doctrine of the islamic text to Christianities is pointless, they are at different ends of the spectrum to each other.

As muslims stick to the teachings of the guy that wrote the quran the terrorism and debauchery and violence sticks.
That's why there is no muslim apologist that can refute scriptures used by muslims fulfilling what their book says.

Hence my comment.

You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #77 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:09pm:

I never believed in any superstitious nonsense.

The Bible is only good if you cherry pick the best bits out of it.

Stone them Brave Sir Robbin.

And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.

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Reply #78 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:25pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:24pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:09pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 10:05pm:

Not all Muslims behave impeccably but on the whole it's a religion of good people.

How so when they believe in a book that they believe is from god that tells them to kill non believers and threatens them with death if they leave the cult ?

The same way most Christians and Jews ignore the barbarism in their books.

Really where is the Barbarianism that Jesus taught for Christians we all know the Barbarianism that the muslim god taught the muslims ?

You do realise the bible is more than the new testament? What did Moses do to those that didn't like his god and decided to build a golden calf?

You do realize the Bible is made up of two testaments. The first being the first covenant the wages of sin was death. In all cases in the old testament and covenant the recipients were well aware of the wages of sin and willfully committed the sin in full knowledge of what the ramifications would be. Hence the documented moses story and others.

The second/last testament/covenant being the new covenant between God and man through God's Son Jesus Christ. Hence the word Christian that YOU used. The Quran on the other hand has no such covenants hence its violent teachings are applicable today. Regarding the Bible since God so Loved the world He gave His only Son to pay the price for all our Sin and on the third day He(Jesus) rose again and who so ever believes in Him will have eternal life. That's hardy telling you to commit violence against non believers.

Now since this is God's covenant between Him and mankind through His son Jesus who's teachings are in the New Testament I'd stick to quoting the violence He taught when referring to Christians since you bought up Christians.

Muslims stick to allahs and mohammeds teachings.
Christians stick to Jesus Christs, hence the word Christ in Christian.

Lets not clutch at straws here shall we. Well all know why you only roll out the old covenant, and that's because you cannot fault Jesus Christs Teachings.

Comparing the doctrine of the islamic text to Christianities is pointless, they are at different ends of the spectrum to each other.

As muslims stick to the teachings of the guy that wrote the quran the terrorism and debauchery and violence sticks.
That's why there is no muslim apologist that can refute scriptures used by muslims fulfilling what their book says.

Hence my comment.

You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law.

You do realize he came to fulfill it. As the law prophesied His coming. Hence a new covenant between God and man.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: When i became a Christian Reply #79 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:29pm Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:25pm: Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm: You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law. You do realize he came to fulfill it. As the law prophesied His coming. Hence a new covenant between God and man. What is the law?
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Reply #80 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:30pm

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament

http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/

Many Christians claim that the Old Testament laws do not apply to us because Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: When i became a Christian Reply #81 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:33pm Isn't there a thread dedicated to fantasy that you can debate fairy tales and fluffy clouds in ? Or will sprint just edit it?
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Reply #82 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:30pm:

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament

http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/

Many Christians claim that the Old Testament laws do not apply to us because Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

And I assure you Ash is an eater of pigs, crustaceans or a wearer of mixed cloth.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #83 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:36pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:29pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law.

You do realize he came to fulfill it. As the law prophesied His coming. Hence a new covenant between God and man.

What is the law?

The Law was the wages of Sin was death. Jesus Christ paid the full price fulfilling the Law forever so people can be forgiven of their sins and receive eternal life.

No one, won under the law, as all are sinners and the wages of sin is ultimately death being eternal separation from God. Jesus fulfilled that law and provided the free gift of Salvation for all mankind. That who so ever believes in Him and the gift of Salvation that He brings, shall have eternal life.

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Reply #84 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:37pm

Its time wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:33pm:

Isn't there a thread dedicated to fantasy that you can debate fairy tales and fluffy clouds in ? Or will sprint just edit it?

Isn't there a thread where you can post your fantasies about how you know whether god's exist or not with the fairies down the back of your garden. Cause clearly you would not know either way.

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Reply #85 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:37pm

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:29pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law.

You do realize he came to fulfill it. As the law prophesied His coming. Hence a new covenant between God and man.

What is the law?

The Law was the wages of Sin was death. Jesus Christ paid the full price fulfilling the Law forever so people can be forgiven of their sins and receive eternal life.

No one, won under the law, as all are sinners and the wages of sin is ultimately death being eternal separation from God. Jesus fulfilled that law and provided the free gift of Salvation for all mankind. That who so ever believes in Him and the gift of Salvation that He brings, shall have eternal life.

You are dead. That is the law. You will not go to heaven. Let the law be fulfilled.

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Reply #86 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:40pm

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:29pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law.

You do realize he came to fulfill it. As the law prophesied His coming. Hence a new covenant between God and man.

What is the law?

The Law was the wages of Sin was death. Jesus Christ paid the full price fulfilling the Law forever so people can be forgiven of their sins and receive eternal life.

No one, won under the law, as all are sinners and the wages of sin is ultimately death being eternal separation from God. Jesus fulfilled that law and provided the free gift of Salvation for all mankind. That who so ever believes in Him and the gift of Salvation that He brings, shall have eternal life.

Do you ignore the Old testament?

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #87 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:41pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:30pm:

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament

Many Christians claim that the Old Testament laws do not apply to us because Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

And I assure you Ash is an eater of pigs, crustaceans or a wearer of mixed cloth.

You bet.

Acts 10:9-16

Peter’s Vision

9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray.

10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.

11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.

12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds.

13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”

14“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”

15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”

16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #88 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:40pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:29pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law.

You do realize he came to fulfill it. As the law prophesied His coming. Hence a new covenant between God and man.

What is the law?

The Law was the wages of Sin was death. Jesus Christ paid the full price fulfilling the Law forever so people can be forgiven of their sins and receive eternal life.

No one, won under the law, as all are sinners and the wages of sin is ultimately death being eternal separation from God. Jesus fulfilled that law and provided the free gift of Salvation for all mankind. That who so ever believes in Him and the gift of Salvation that He brings, shall have eternal life.

Do you ignore the Old testament?

Why would you ignore the old Testament it foretold the coming of Jesus Christ and the New Testament/Covenant.

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Re: When i became a Christian
Reply #89 - Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:44pm

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:37pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:29pm:

Ashley wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Setanta wrote on Apr 29^th, 2016 at 11:22pm:

You do realise that he did not come to do away with the law.

You do realize he came to fulfill it. As the law prophesied His coming. Hence a new covenant between God and man.

What is the law?

The Law was the wages of Sin was death. Jesus Christ paid the full price fulfilling the Law forever so people can be forgiven of their sins and receive eternal life.

No one, won under the law, as all are sinners and the wages of sin is ultimately death being eternal separation from God. Jesus fulfilled that law and provided the free gift of Salvation for all mankind. That who so ever believes in Him and the gift of Salvation that He brings, shall have eternal life.

You are dead. That is the law. You will not go to heaven. Let the law be fulfilled.

Really , I am still here typing. Grin

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