Australian Politics Forum - The Heavy Legacies of Our Past

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #120 - May 9^th, 2016 at 9:47pm freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 9:08pm: Well done Karnal. You can answer your own silly questions from now on. Done, are you? I understand. Would you prefer I explained the difference between monarchies and theocracies, or do you want to have a go this time?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49133 At my desk.	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #121 - May 10^th, 2016 at 6:25am If you have a point to make Karnal, go ahead and make it.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #122 - May 10^th, 2016 at 9:52am Why, FD, you should know my point by now. My point is that the early Muslim caliphates were more "inclusive" than the Roman empire. That's all.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49133 At my desk.	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #123 - May 10^th, 2016 at 11:33am Economically, or politically?
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Reply #124 - May 10^th, 2016 at 12:51pm

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 11:33am:

Economically, or politically?

Both. In Rome, the payoff for losing the vote was bread and circuses. In Muhammed's time, nobody had a vote. The proposed reason for Islamic imperialism was security - uniting the desert tribes, as I believe Muhammed argued.

Your article is a tad quiet on Muslim political systems, FD. You've discussed them here since 2007, so you're quite well informed.

Is there any reason why you're keeping mum on this issue?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49133 At my desk.	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #125 - May 10^th, 2016 at 4:57pm I thought it was pretty obvious. Muhammed was in charge, then the Caliphs that followed him. How were bread and circuses less inclusive than the Caliphate? Would you say the Roman Republic was more inclusive than the Caliphate?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #126 - May 10^th, 2016 at 5:01pm freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 4:57pm: Would you say the Roman Republic was more inclusive than the Caliphate? Ah.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49133 At my desk.	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #127 - May 10^th, 2016 at 5:21pm Thanks for catching that error Karnal. I have updated the article. Do you agree with it now?
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Reply #128 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:27pm

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

Thanks for catching that error Karnal. I have updated the article. Do you agree with it now?

Do I agree that "the Roman.empire was more inclusive that its contemporaries, which is the main thesis"?

Or are you saying something else here?

You still haven’t captured the political framework of the first Islamic caliphate. I believe this is your true thesis. Do you want to give it a stab?

Remember, you want all Australian visa applicants to be quizzed on this.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49133 At my desk.	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #129 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:31pm Would you say the Roman Republic was more inclusive than the Caliphate?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #130 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:33pm freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 8:31pm: Would you say the Roman Republic was more inclusive than the Caliphate? You first.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49133 At my desk.	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #131 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:34pm Theocracy. Would you say the Roman Republic was more inclusive than the Caliphate?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #132 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:39pm freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 8:34pm: Theocracy. Would you say the Roman Republic was more inclusive than the Caliphate? Wrong answer. Try again. You can do this, FD.
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Ashley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 526	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #133 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm Ban Him
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96025 Gender:	Re: The Heavy Legacies of Our Past Reply #134 - May 10^th, 2016 at 8:50pm Ashley wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm: Ban Him Matty’s learning, FD. He’s being inclusive.
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