freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2016 at 6:32pm:



trying to draw attention to your bullshit?

Like Muhammed, Muslims are not content to define their own religion, they also have to define Christianity and Judaism.

Sure. You can start by elaborating on what you hope the word fulfill means in this context.

I am not the one claiming to know what it means, but the passages immediately after certainly undermine any sort of "tooth for a tooth" interpretation.

Do you agree that the passages immediately after it undermine any sort of "tooth for a tooth" interpretation, and with it your efforts to paint the religion as similar to Islam?

gandalf wrote Reply #50 - Yesterday at 6:42pm Quote:


Exactly right again gandi.

Christian theology's all about:

The law being completed successfully by the crucifixion of Christ.

Christ knew what His role was in the overall scale of things He was well aware that His blood would be spilt as the last perfect sacrifice under Judaic Law ushering in the era of grace for mankind.

In the Garden of Gethsemane Christ was extremely afraid of what was going to happen to Him:

His prayer was

Mathew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Christ feared what was about to happen to Him, He would have avoided it if God had so willed.

However He was not spared, He was crucified, the last words He spoke:

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

"It is finished" very significant words for Christians.

The signify that the law was finished, Christs' work here on earth was completed, as stated in:

Rom 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.


Gal 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

It's all pretty straight forward:

Christ finished the law successfully.

The law was superseded by faith.   

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:53am:


This is what Al-Baqara 256 actually says:

There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion.

The death penalty for apostasy is about rejecting Islam. Al-Baqara 256 is about accepting Islam. Two different things Gandalf. This is entirely consistent with my portrayal of Islam as a faith ratchet. Muslims must settle for mere coercion in getting people to become Muslims. Only after that does it turn into compulsion.

Good luck with that Gandalf. Don't get yourself branded an apostate though. It seems like a sensible interpretation, given the context and that a broader interpretation would conflict with so much else said by Muhammed. Perhaps you could start with quran.com?

When you justified Muhammed's slaughter of Jews by saying they were given the option of repenting, what did that 'repentance' actually involve?