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Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am

I'm coming from a point of view that any immigrant coming to Australia must benefit our country.

For the sake of the argument, lets say any immigrant from any country/culture has the same rates of being involved in serious crime.

But with Muslims we have the added dimension of having to hope they or their children don't become (or aren't) Islamists or violent jihadists.

This isn't a factor we have to worry about with any other group.

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

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Ashley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 526	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #1 - May 6^th, 2016 at 8:32am and the fact they ALL (pretend moderate and normal muslim) believe a book that tells them to hate us and commit violent acts against us is holy to them.
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Ashley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 526	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #2 - May 6^th, 2016 at 8:33am and they ALL believe a mass murderer and pedophile is their perfect example of a muslim.
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Ashley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 526	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #3 - May 6^th, 2016 at 8:37am Upside = NONE
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Reply #4 - May 6^th, 2016 at 10:58am

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

Australia has a skilled migration program. It's probably one of the hardest assessments anyone will ever do, and it takes years. The skills required are regularly updated, applicants need to show they have these skills, professions, trades, etc, and the relevant professional body in Australia needs to approve them too. After that, applicants need to pass an English test, post a bond, and show they have enough funds to live for 12 months.

We take in about 180,000 immigrants a year, give or take. Family reunion visas used to be another entry pathway, but these are becoming increasingly difficult. Spousal visas continue, but they only apply to Australian citizens. They are an arduous process too.

Immigrants (not citizens) can be deported at any time if they commit a crime with a penalty of more than a year in jail. The current immigration minister is using this provision with glee. New Zealanders are not too happy about this.

Australia is one of the hardest countries in the world to get into. We have the highest immigration standards in the world. We were the first, for example, to introduce a skilled migration program.

You're saying we should abandon skilled migration in favour of a racially based migration program, but unfortunately, the races you want to import live in comfortable countries themselves. Why would 180,000 Canadian/Yid doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers, etc, move to Australia? Why would 1 Canadian Yid come here?

Do you want to answer that one, Gordy?

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Ashley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 526	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #5 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:01am Rubbish we accept made up degrees without so much as a check. Upside for muslims = NONE
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Reply #6 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:08am

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

Australia has a skilled migration program. It's probably one of the hardest assessments anyone will ever do, and it takes years. The skills required are regularly updated, applicants need to show they have these skills, professions, trades, etc, and the relevant professional body in Australia needs to approve them too. After that, applicants need to pass an English test, post a bond, and show they have enough funds to live for 12 months.

We take in about 180,000 immigrants a year, give or take. Family reunion visas used to be another entry pathway, but these are becoming increasingly difficult. Spousal visas continue, but they only apply to Australian citizens. They are an arduous process too.

Immigrants (not citizens) can be deported at any time if they commit a crime with a penalty of more than a year in jail. The current immigration minister is using this provision with glee. New Zealanders are not too happy about this.

Australia is one of the hardest countries in the world to get into. We have the highest immigration standards in the world. We were the first, for example, to introduce a skilled migration program.

You're saying we should abandon skilled migration in favour of a racially based migration program, but unfortunately, the races you want to import live in comfortable countries themselves. Why would 180,000 Canadian/Yid doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers, etc, move to Australia? Why would 1 Canadian Yid come here?

Do you want to answer that one, Gordy?

You didn't answer the question.

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Reply #7 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:10am

Ashley wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

Rubbish we accept made up degrees without so much as a check.

Strange. I've met doctors who've sat the AMC test multiple times - at $2400 a pop. A Philippino doctor I know studied to become a nurse instead. His wife, a professor of nursing in the Philippines, passed the Australian nursing exam, but can't practice nursing in Australia until she passes the medical English test.

She did her nursing degree (and Masters) in English, passed the Australian qualifying test in English, but bummed out on the medical English test.

She's back in the Philippines heading a nursing college.

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Reply #8 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am

Sorry about that, Honky. I should have been more clear.

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

Australia has a skilled migration program. It's probably one of the hardest assessments anyone will ever do, and it takes years. The skills required are regularly updated, applicants need to show they have these skills, professions, trades, etc, and the relevant professional body in Australia needs to approve them too. After that, applicants need to pass an English test, post a bond, and show they have enough funds to live for 12 months.

We take in about 180,000 immigrants a year, give or take. Family reunion visas used to be another entry pathway, but these are becoming increasingly difficult. Spousal visas continue, but they only apply to Australian citizens. They are an arduous process too.

Immigrants (not citizens) can be deported at any time if they commit a crime with a penalty of more than a year in jail. The current immigration minister is using this provision with glee. New Zealanders are not too happy about this.

Australia is one of the hardest countries in the world to get into. We have the highest immigration standards in the world. We were the first, for example, to introduce a skilled migration program.

You're saying we should abandon skilled migration in favour of a racially based migration program, but unfortunately, the races you want to import live in comfortable countries themselves. Why would 180,000 Canadian/Yid doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers, etc, move to Australia? Why would 1 Canadian Yid come here?

Do you want to answer that one, Gordy?

You didn't answer the question.

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Reply #9 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:13am

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sorry about that, Honky. I should have been more clear.

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

Australia has a skilled migration program. It's probably one of the hardest assessments anyone will ever do, and it takes years. The skills required are regularly updated, applicants need to show they have these skills, professions, trades, etc, and the relevant professional body in Australia needs to approve them too. After that, applicants need to pass an English test, post a bond, and show they have enough funds to live for 12 months.

We take in about 180,000 immigrants a year, give or take. Family reunion visas used to be another entry pathway, but these are becoming increasingly difficult. Spousal visas continue, but they only apply to Australian citizens. They are an arduous process too.

Immigrants (not citizens) can be deported at any time if they commit a crime with a penalty of more than a year in jail. The current immigration minister is using this provision with glee. New Zealanders are not too happy about this.

Australia is one of the hardest countries in the world to get into. We have the highest immigration standards in the world. We were the first, for example, to introduce a skilled migration program.

You're saying we should abandon skilled migration in favour of a racially based migration program, but unfortunately, the races you want to import live in comfortable countries themselves. Why would 180,000 Canadian/Yid doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers, etc, move to Australia? Why would 1 Canadian Yid come here?

Do you want to answer that one, Gordy?

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, you should have.

And you still haven't answered the question.

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #10 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:15am

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sorry about that, Honky. I should have been more clear.

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

Australia has a skilled migration program. It's probably one of the hardest assessments anyone will ever do, and it takes years. The skills required are regularly updated, applicants need to show they have these skills, professions, trades, etc, and the relevant professional body in Australia needs to approve them too. After that, applicants need to pass an English test, post a bond, and show they have enough funds to live for 12 months.

We take in about 180,000 immigrants a year, give or take. Family reunion visas used to be another entry pathway, but these are becoming increasingly difficult. Spousal visas continue, but they only apply to Australian citizens. They are an arduous process too.

Immigrants (not citizens) can be deported at any time if they commit a crime with a penalty of more than a year in jail. The current immigration minister is using this provision with glee. New Zealanders are not too happy about this.

Australia is one of the hardest countries in the world to get into. We have the highest immigration standards in the world. We were the first, for example, to introduce a skilled migration program.

You're saying we should abandon skilled migration in favour of a racially based migration program, but unfortunately, the races you want to import live in comfortable countries themselves. Why would 180,000 Canadian/Yid doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers, etc, move to Australia? Why would 1 Canadian Yid come here?

Do you want to answer that one, Gordy?

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, you should have.

And you still haven't answered the question.

Cunning, no? Would you like to ask me a question?

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Reply #11 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:16am

There is NO upside from Muzlum immigration, NONE AT ALL, nothing, nada, zip. the End.

As for importing skills, none of which are brought to us by (81) low intelligence Muslums.

Would it not be more prudent to TRAIN Australians rather than import skills.

Have we not the ability to train or otherwise educate our own?

We also need to consider the culture clash that may become evident when one culture is diametrically opposed to Australian values.

Our wonderful country has benefited from immigrants for many many years, we have taken the best the world has had to offer and greatly improved our country both in the diversity of and Australian way of life.

That is until recently when a new basement lower class of immigrant/ refugee has started to infect our great land.
Their culture does not mix, it hates our values and way of life.
With it an inbred intolerance of almost biblical proportions resplendent in barbaric and sick practices the likes of which make no sense and are not based in logic.

Never before have Australians, even in their worst nightmares, contemplated genital mutilation, beheading or stoning people for simply loving another person or thinking about changing religion.
Years of hard fought equality and acceptance for women and homosexuals is ignored by this infestation of intolerant, barbaric reeetards.

Bring back the days of the white Australia policy.
Bring back the days of Christian values and Christian immigrants.
Remove this pox, this infestation, this cancer that is Islam and Australia could once again become a safe and wonderful place to live

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Reply #12 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:18am

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:10am:

Ashley wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

Rubbish we accept made up degrees without so much as a check.

Strange. I've met doctors who've sat the AMC test multiple times - at $2400 a pop. A Philippino doctor I know studied to become a nurse instead. His wife, a professor of nursing in the Philippines, passed the Australian nursing exam, but can't practice nursing in Australia until she passes the medical English test.

She did her nursing degree (and Masters) in English, passed the Australian qualifying test in English, but bummed out on the medical English test.

She's back in the Philippines heading a nursing college.

Cool story .

Of course you have Wink

, yet I have met doctors, electronics engineers, and so called teachers who have walked right in degrees unchecked.

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Reply #13 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:20am

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:15am:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

Sorry about that, Honky. I should have been more clear.

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 10:58am:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

Australia has a skilled migration program. It's probably one of the hardest assessments anyone will ever do, and it takes years. The skills required are regularly updated, applicants need to show they have these skills, professions, trades, etc, and the relevant professional body in Australia needs to approve them too. After that, applicants need to pass an English test, post a bond, and show they have enough funds to live for 12 months.

We take in about 180,000 immigrants a year, give or take. Family reunion visas used to be another entry pathway, but these are becoming increasingly difficult. Spousal visas continue, but they only apply to Australian citizens. They are an arduous process too.

Immigrants (not citizens) can be deported at any time if they commit a crime with a penalty of more than a year in jail. The current immigration minister is using this provision with glee. New Zealanders are not too happy about this.

Australia is one of the hardest countries in the world to get into. We have the highest immigration standards in the world. We were the first, for example, to introduce a skilled migration program.

You're saying we should abandon skilled migration in favour of a racially based migration program, but unfortunately, the races you want to import live in comfortable countries themselves. Why would 180,000 Canadian/Yid doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers, etc, move to Australia? Why would 1 Canadian Yid come here?

Do you want to answer that one, Gordy?

You didn't answer the question.

Yes, you should have.

And you still haven't answered the question.

Cunning, no? Would you like to ask me a question?

Sure:

Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #14 - May 6^th, 2016 at 11:20am GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am: I'm coming from a point of view that any immigrant coming to Australia must benefit our country. Better send this immigrant back then. He still has British citizenship, so it's no big deal.
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