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Reply #105 - May 6^th, 2016 at 5:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

. Your suburb "Granville" is an absolute s hithole. It's just fact. It's messy and dangerous. It's slumy looking.

Now you're starting to sound like Lady Bracknell.

I don't think you should look down on your fellow Western Sydney residents, Homo. We're people too, you know.

What happened to your reverse-snobbery against Greggery's leafy white suburb?

I'm always supporting western Sydney people but in all honesty Granville is a craphole Karnal. It's a mess.

What's your suburb?

I lived for a very brief time in Glebe, can I be in your Western Sydney club?

if you want gordy.

Look, I was going thru my lesbian stage ok?

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #106 - May 6^th, 2016 at 5:06pm

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 5:03pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

. Your suburb "Granville" is an absolute s hithole. It's just fact. It's messy and dangerous. It's slumy looking.

Now you're starting to sound like Lady Bracknell.

I don't think you should look down on your fellow Western Sydney residents, Homo. We're people too, you know.

What happened to your reverse-snobbery against Greggery's leafy white suburb?

I'm always supporting western Sydney people but in all honesty Granville is a craphole Karnal. It's a mess.

What's your suburb?

none of your business. Grin

Let's just say were don't have as many Lebbo's as you do.

Does a river run through it?

not far from it.

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Reply #107 - May 6^th, 2016 at 5:29pm

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God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Oh how the taqiyya flows from the mouths of the muslims and their apologists.

The bigger risk is the undisputed fact that muslims are prone to becoming religious terrorists at an alarmingly high rate per muslim population.

They do this in order to obey the satanic commands from the demon allah in the qur'an.

They relish the fact that they may commit unspeakably inhumane atrocities, in the name of allah, against their fellow man.

Thus ensuring they enter into allah's brothel in the sky where, for the sexual pleasure of the muslim religious terrorist, the houris with big tits and little boys with eyes like pearls abound.

muslims and their religion present an extremely high threat against our society.

We don't need islamic religious terrorists.

We don't need the root cause of muslim religious terrorists which is? You guessed it islam.

We don't need muslims who refuse to clean up the evil doctrine which urges islamic terrorism.

They are passive supporters they endorse the doctrine, therefore by definition they substantiate the religious terrorism engendered by these tenets.

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Reply #108 - May 6^th, 2016 at 6:04pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:55pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

. Your suburb "Granville" is an absolute s hithole. It's just fact. It's messy and dangerous. It's slumy looking.

Now you're starting to sound like Lady Bracknell.

I don't think you should look down on your fellow Western Sydney residents, Homo. We're people too, you know.

What happened to your reverse-snobbery against Greggery's leafy white suburb?

I'm always supporting western Sydney people but in all honesty Granville is a craphole Karnal. It's a mess.

What's your suburb?

none of your business. Grin

Let's just say were don't have as many Lebbo's as you do.

Won’t say, eh?

No.worries, Homo. Until.you say which suburb you moved to, we’ll all know you still live in Mt Druitt with good old Mum.

Nice place, eh?

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Reply #109 - May 7^th, 2016 at 10:10am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 8:23am:

This isn't a factor we have to worry about with any other group.

So it has to be asked, where is the upside for Australia if we can source equally capable immigrants from every corner of the globe who DON'T have this negative aspect?

Thats a pretty vacuous argument Gordy. Unless you're making the case that our entire immigration program is a net-negative, you're basically saying the risk of violent jihadism is too much - but the risk of triad drug crime, slave-trading, mafia organised crime, Islander street violence and all the other problems that come with non-muslim immigration is ok.

Here's a radical, and I'm sure here, controversial, proposition for you: the risk of jihadism that comes from muslim immigration pales in comparison to (for example) the risk of triad gang-related crime that comes with Chinese immigration. But the point should be obvious: the proportion of triad criminals - or even other non-triad criminals that infiltrate Australia via our Chinese-immigration program is miniscule (even if its probably greater than the proportion of jihadists amongst the muslim immigrants), such that it would simply be insane to conclude that the program is a net-negative.

In any case, with the muslims we're not even talking about a specific nationality - but 10s and 10s of source countries, including those with muslim minorities. For example, Indian immigration has undoubtedly given us an enormous boost in certain technical areas such as engineering and medicine - skills mind you, which seem to be constant short supply here. Now good luck with picking through all those immigrants and making a convincing case that its only the non-muslims amongst them that are contributing positively, and that the muslims are mostly a) useless and b) jihadist firekegs waiting to blow. And then you have acknowledge the muslim immigrants who come from places where jihadism simply isn't an issue - like Malaysia and Indonesia.

So if you insist on engaging in such a shallow "upside or downside" dichotomy towards muslim immigration, at least be a bit smart about it - identify specific regions like Syria or Afghanistan, and don't lump the rest of them in with them. And also if you go down this route, at least be honest and concede that you also have to start examining every other immigrant group and acknowledging that they aren't any better - based on the criteria you are using (the threat of violence).

The majority of Malaysian Muslims support Shariah law and the death penalty for apostasy. Noordin Mohammad Top was Malaysian.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #110 - May 7^th, 2016 at 10:15am what do you reckon FD - any upside to muslim immigration?
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Reply #111 - May 7^th, 2016 at 9:22pm

Aside from barbaric, primitive devil worship.
What do Muzzos bring to Australia.

I know they take a lot, both by thievery and in dole payments, but what do they actually bring???

Every one comes from a third world country filled with (81) low intelligence, what could they possibly bring that we would want???

Unless of course you are a pedophile, wife beating sociopath.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #112 - May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?
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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #113 - May 8^th, 2016 at 9:30am polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am: Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale? What bonus do we get from them being Muslim tho to offset the possibility of them being an Islamist?
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Reply #114 - May 8^th, 2016 at 9:54am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?

The ol' "doctors and engineers" schtick doesn't cut it, for a few reasons:

1. Very few are doctors or engineers.

2. We have more than enough doctors and engineers already:

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The Australian Medical Association and other health lobbies argue there's an oversupply of graduates and that the money should be going towards intern and postgraduate training.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2015/s4237584.htm

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It wasn’t too long ago when engineering employment was at its peak. It was the time just before the global financial crisis when engineering careers were abundant and promising. Since then boom/bust infrastructure cycles and declining resources investment has led to limited opportunities for Australia’s engineers and graduates. Many have been forced to switch to other professions or leave the country in order to secure work in engineering.

Engineers Australia has been greatly concerned at the contracting engineering job market which has been on the downturn for 29 months straight. With this downturn comes numerous stories of angst from engineers unable to secure work and graduates who are unable to get a foot in the door.

https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/news/engineering-downturn-threaten-austral...

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Reply #115 - May 8^th, 2016 at 9:56am

... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?

The ol' "doctors and engineers" schtick doesn't cut it, for a few reasons:

1. Very few are doctors or engineers.

You forgot to cite your reference, Honks.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #116 - May 8^th, 2016 at 10:02am Fine. Every last one is a doctor and/or an engineer. Now refer to point 2.
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Reply #117 - May 8^th, 2016 at 10:08am

GordyL wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?

What bonus do we get from them being Muslim tho to offset the possibility of them being an Islamist?

I'm not going to repeat what I've already said gordy.

But you're a reasonable guy, I'd like you to at least acknowledge the sort of blatantly racist crap that is there baracking along with you. Valkie is of course just a troll, but you can't deny he's not Robinson Crusoe here. You are at least trying to be reasonable here - you at least acknowledge that muslims can contribute, but the risk of radicalism might offset that. Fine. I disagree, but I can at least engage you sensibly and in a civilized manner. But whats difficult to swallow is seeing your (relatively reasonable) position being swamped by the knuckleheads who's only contribution is "rar rar retarded inbreds, rar rar IQ 81, rar rar dole payments and thieves, rar rar can't possibly contribute to anything because they're such retards". The truth is, any sensible arguments your side has is frankly drowned out by this crap. Thats the point FD can't grasp when I try to explain it to him - he only hears "your wacist", and comes up with idiotic stuff like claiming that I think all criticism of Islam is racist. Its not, but the sad reality is racism ends up dominating your side - and its not helped at all when the "reasonable" ones on your side seem to refuse to denounce or even acknowledge the racism on your side. You don't want to end up like FD, where you'll twist yourself into every conceivable mental contortion to apologise for the racism, and just turn into a parody of yourself. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are merely ignoring the troll - as it deserves. But still, it is a curious look when the immediate reply to such a blatantly racist and downright offensive post is to criticise something I said

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #118 - May 8^th, 2016 at 10:12am ... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 10:02am: Fine. Every last one is a doctor and/or an engineer. Now refer to point 2. I don't have a problem with point 2. I just wanted to clarify where you got the information from for point 1. Would it be safe to assume that you pulled it out of your arse?
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Reply #119 - May 8^th, 2016 at 10:20am

Look at the pitbull terrior. Not every dog mauls a child. But 1 and a thousand does. So our government banned the whole breed just in case. Why can't this same situation apply to humans?? If a religion has a problem isn't it unwise and dangerous to bring them here?? Shout racism all you want but if Australia brings in loads of Muslims we will get an escalation in problems. FACT!

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