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Reply #121 - May 8^th, 2016 at 11:36am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

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polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?

The ol' "doctors and engineers" schtick doesn't cut it, for a few reasons:

1. Very few are doctors or engineers.

You forgot to cite your reference, Honks.

He also forgot to cite the shortage of GP s in rural and regional areas.

Back to the drawing board, Honks.

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Reply #122 - May 8^th, 2016 at 2:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 10:08am:

GordyL wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:30am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?

What bonus do we get from them being Muslim tho to offset the possibility of them being an Islamist?

I'm not going to repeat what I've already said gordy.

But you're a reasonable guy, I'd like you to at least acknowledge the sort of blatantly racist crap that is there baracking along with you. Valkie is of course just a troll, but you can't deny he's not Robinson Crusoe here. You are at least trying to be reasonable here - you at least acknowledge that muslims can contribute, but the risk of radicalism might offset that. Fine. I disagree, but I can at least engage you sensibly and in a civilized manner. But whats difficult to swallow is seeing your (relatively reasonable) position being swamped by the knuckleheads who's only contribution is "rar rar retarded inbreds, rar rar IQ 81, rar rar dole payments and thieves, rar rar can't possibly contribute to anything because they're such retards". The truth is, any sensible arguments your side has is frankly drowned out by this crap. Thats the point FD can't grasp when I try to explain it to him - he only hears "your wacist", and comes up with idiotic stuff like claiming that I think all criticism of Islam is racist. Its not, but the sad reality is racism ends up dominating your side - and its not helped at all when the "reasonable" ones on your side seem to refuse to denounce or even acknowledge the racism on your side. You don't want to end up like FD, where you'll twist yourself into every conceivable mental contortion to apologise for the racism, and just turn into a parody of yourself. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are merely ignoring the troll - as it deserves. But still, it is a curious look when the immediate reply to such a blatantly racist and downright offensive post is to criticise something I said

A very interesting issue of the times is how the left all but totally refuse to criticize the negative aspects of conservative Islam in fear of being branded as the same racist brush as the far right. If they do, it's in very broad and vague brush strokes.

I make no apologies for being a anti-Islamic, but in context I'm also anti-other religions.

So where may you ask are all of my posts about other religions? Well 99% of the batshit crazieness Du Jour is coming from Islam. Trust me if we had an influx of Southern Baptists agitating for their religious space, you'll see the posts think and fast.

In real life tho, I've not participated in a single 'anti-Islamic' event or signed a petition. I have however written two letters to my local and state members complaining about the National School Chaplaincy Programme. I was also active getting ethics classes up and running at my local primary school.

Now lets get back on topic. Of course one Muslim/non Muslim doctor would be of equal benefit to Australia.

But I'm asking, why shouldn't the suitability of one immigrant be based on the what Australia would be like is that was scaled up so that person was the majority?

Can you put your hand on your heart and say Australia would be such a great place if it were majority Muslim?

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Reply #123 - May 8^th, 2016 at 2:20pm

Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?

The ol' "doctors and engineers" schtick doesn't cut it, for a few reasons:

1. Very few are doctors or engineers.

You forgot to cite your reference, Honks.

He also forgot to cite the shortage of GP s in rural and regional areas.

Back to the drawing board, Honks.

I'm glad you piped up, karnal. Because not only was your lame interjection irrelevant becasue "The Australian Medical Association and other health lobbies argue there's an oversupply"

It also opens another avenue for attack, simply that mussies don't go to regional areas. They're just not there.

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Very few Muslims live in regional areas with the exceptions of the sizeable Turkish and Albanian community in Shepparton, Victoria and Malays in Katanning, Western Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia

Now I cant say for sure that Shepparton, VIC is not a town dedicated to doctoring and engineering, but I can tell you the mussies in Katanning WA all work at the abattoir. There are plenty of abos down that way who could use those jobs...

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Reply #124 - May 8^th, 2016 at 3:30pm

Sydney woman was 'top IS recruiter

'Published: 9:45 am, Sunday, 8 May 2016 -

The Sydney woman whose teenage brother shot dead police accountant Curtis Cheng reportedly became a high-level recruiter for Islamic State in Syria before she was killed in a US air strike.

Former Parramatta resident Shadi Jabar, 27, helped plan attacks on the West and used the encrypted messaging application Telegram to urge fighters and women to go to Syria, according to News Corp.

She fled Sydney on October 1 last year, the day before her 15-year-old brother Farhad Jabar shot Mr Cheng outside Parramatta police headquarters before he was shot dead by police.

Shadi Jabar and her husband Abu Saad al-Sudani were killed in a US air strike on the Syrian city of Al Bab on April 22, according to the US government.

Using the name Umm Isa al Amrikiah, Shadi Jabar posted messages spreading Islamic State ideology and criticising men who didn't join the fight and appeared to have risen to senior ranks in Islamic State's propaganda wing.

Her account contained pictures from Syria, including one of a pistol and what she said was a suicide belt along with the words 'May Allah ... grant me the opportunity to use it soon'.

Australian Federal Police Assistant Commissioner Neil Gaughan said about 15 Australian women are believed to be in Syria, including five who went there from Melbourne to become jihadi brides in the last nine to 12 months.

Most of the women were between 19 and 25, and Assistant Commission Gaughan warned Syria was not the glamorous destination it was portrayed as on social media.

'It's a war zone,' he told News Corp.

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muslims are a threat to Australia.

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Reply #125 - May 8^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 2:20pm:

Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 11:36am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:56am:

... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 9:54am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

Matty would you say a muslim doctor or engineer working in Australia "brings" something? How exactly would you describe them on the usefulness scale?

The ol' "doctors and engineers" schtick doesn't cut it, for a few reasons:

1. Very few are doctors or engineers.

You forgot to cite your reference, Honks.

He also forgot to cite the shortage of GP s in rural and regional areas.

Back to the drawing board, Honks.

I'm glad you piped up, karnal. Because not only was your lame interjection irrelevant becasue "The Australian Medical Association and other health lobbies argue there's an oversupply"

It also opens another avenue for attack, simply that mussies don't go to regional areas. They're just not there.

Quote:

Very few Muslims live in regional areas with the exceptions of the sizeable Turkish and Albanian community in Shepparton, Victoria and Malays in Katanning, Western Australia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Australia

Now I cant say for sure that Shepparton, VIC is not a town dedicated to doctoring and engineering, but I can tell you the mussies in Katanning WA all work at the abattoir. There are plenty of abos down that way who could use those jobs...

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Reply #126 - May 8^th, 2016 at 5:21pm

It's all there in black and white.

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Katanning Shire has the highest rate of unemployment of all the local governments in
the region.
• Retention rates for Aboriginal employees are low across most of Katanning’s
industry sectors.
• There is a generational issue of Aboriginal unemployment and welfare dependency.
• Many Aboriginal people gain vocational education and training (VET) qualifications but are not transitioning into employment.

There are plenty of abos down that way who could use those jobs...

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• Western Australian Meat Marketing Co-operative (WAMMCO) uses the available skilled
migration options for various occupations in demand that are currently engaged at its
Katanning facility but does not use the meat industry specific skilled migration agreement.
• Concerns with the low levels of literacy in the migrant community.
• Many employers use informal employee recruitment methods.

Hmm.

The major employer is bringing in skilled moslems to do low or non skilled jobs in an area with high unemployment, and hiring by "informal methods" that inhibit the participation of english speaking people.

Is this the upside or the downside?

http://www.dtwd.wa.gov.au/workforceplanninganddevelopment/regionalworkforcedevel...

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #128 - May 8^th, 2016 at 6:11pm I'd love to respond, Honky, but I'm not sure what you 're saying. I'm not sure you do either. Still, it's good to see you use a source. Nice work.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #129 - May 8^th, 2016 at 6:25pm Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 6:11pm: I'd love to respond, Honky, but I'm not sure what you 're saying. I said Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #130 - May 8^th, 2016 at 7:03pm ... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 6:25pm: Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 6:11pm: I'd love to respond, Honky, but I'm not sure what you 're saying. I said Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Are you expecting a different answer?
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #131 - May 8^th, 2016 at 7:14pm You still haven't answered it.
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Reply #132 - May 8^th, 2016 at 7:43pm

That's strange. I've only answered it, clarified it, addressed replies, and read your own replies to my replies.

Your reply that Western Australia has no shortage of GPs was most enigmatic, particularly when you went on to highlight shortages all over the state. You then stated that Muslims don't live outside the main cities, and then described regional communities full of Muslims.

Not only have you read my answer, Honky, you've provided evidence to back it up.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40756 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #133 - May 8^th, 2016 at 7:49pm ... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 6:25pm: Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 6:11pm: I'd love to respond, Honky, but I'm not sure what you 're saying. I said Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? no. none at all
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Reply #134 - May 8^th, 2016 at 8:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

... wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Karnal wrote on May 8^th, 2016 at 6:11pm:

I'd love to respond, Honky, but I'm not sure what you 're saying.

I said Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?

no. none at all

Good point, Sprint, I hadn't considered that.

Forget my previous replies, Honky, I'm going with Sprint's.

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