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Reply #150 - May 9^th, 2016 at 11:52am

... wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:42am:

You're not listening:

Muslims don't go to regional areas. They're not alleviating anything.

Repeat this 5 times aloud, because you absolutely need to absorb this information.

The police have a system whereby new recruits are required to be stationed in regional areas for a year or two - a similar scheme can easily be applied to the "oversupply" of doctors.

Your link refers to an oversupply of undergraduate training (in Perth), but an undersupply of internships and post-graduate training. This leads to an under-supply of qualified doctors. The point of your article is that it's pointless sending students to medical schools if there aren't enough internships in the hospitals to go round.

It's hard to compel doctors to live in rural areas. Unlike police and teachers, they can easily get a job somewhere else and move on. Practicing medicine in a rural area is a big commitment. The pay is lower, the hours are longer, the responsibility (and indemnity) is greater.

Muslims are no different to Hindus or Jews or Christians. Insh'allah, there is nothing in Islam compelling Muslims to live in cities.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #151 - May 9^th, 2016 at 11:56am polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:47am: If there's such an oversupply, how come nearly every GP I see is foreign born? Ah.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #152 - May 9^th, 2016 at 12:04pm Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:56am: polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:47am: If there's such an oversupply, how come nearly every GP I see is foreign born? Ah. Ah what?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #153 - May 9^th, 2016 at 12:12pm ... wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 12:04pm: Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:56am: polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:47am: If there's such an oversupply, how come nearly every GP I see is foreign born? Ah. Ah what? Say ah, Honky. I need to put something in your mouth.
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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #154 - May 9^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:55am:

Gandalf recently argued that "Arabia is for Arabs" is not a racist stance

Bullshit.

It is true. It is on the wiki.

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:17am:

One doctor emigrating to Australia to treat sick Australians is an upside. We want skilled, educated and hard-working professionals here. If you don't, you're not out to benefit the country. Mean-spirited racists are bad for business. Banning the tinted races is the worst possible thing we could do. Australia relies on foreign trade and finance - more than any other country in our region. Apartheid states are not popular these days.

People's religion is neither here nor there. We don't discriminate on the basis of religion. This is central to who we are. It's part of our Western tradition, it's in the constitution, it's in everybody's constitution. Banning Muselmen, even if this would be constitutionally possible, would provide no end of enemies, including the 250 million of them next door.

The upside of multiculturalism is the connection to foreign trade networks. Chinese, Indian and Arab business people have global networks that benefit and employ Australians. We now shop in Chinese, Indian and Arab shops. We sell our products to Chinese, Indian and Arabs overseas. This ranges from small businesses to the Australian Wheat Board, and all these deals require friends.

Immigration keeps the Australian economy going. It's our main strength. Our proximity and our relationship with Asia is the source of future growth in Australia. The old racist, protectionist, insular economy is dead. We couldn't possibly go back there, even if we wanted to. The world no longer works through fixed currencies, interest rates and tariffs. Australia has never been self-reliant, we've always relied on foreign trade and capital.

I have no preference for Muslim immigration over Jewish or Hindu immigration, but barring any religion would be the death knell of our economy AND our Western Enlightenment values.

I'm curious, FD. What do you think?

Are we allowed to discriminate on the basis of political ideology?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #155 - May 9^th, 2016 at 12:59pm You say ah too, please FD.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #156 - May 9^th, 2016 at 1:01pm freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 12:40pm: Are we allowed to discriminate on the basis of political ideology? Alas, FD, the people voted on that in the referendum to ban the Communist Party. The answer was a resounding no.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #157 - May 9^th, 2016 at 2:17pm freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 12:40pm: It is true. It is on the wiki. Quote me. Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 1:01pm: Alas, FD, the people voted on that in the referendum to ban the Communist Party. The answer was a resounding no. But does that include which immigrants we let in?
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Reply #158 - May 9^th, 2016 at 2:39pm

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But does that include which immigrants we let in?

No, but it says what they're allowed to do when they're in Australia. How could you possibly screen people for their belief systems?

And how could you possibly screen people for their religious beliefs?

The best the knuckleheads have come up with is banning everyone from a majority Muslim country. I think it was Honky who said that if this keeps out Syrian Christians, for example, this would be a good thing.

Remember, the point here is not to ban religion, it's to keep out the tinted races. As Honky has also said, he has no problem with Muslims but plenty of problems with Arabs. Why?

Because WE DON"T WANT THEM HERE.

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Reply #159 - May 9^th, 2016 at 2:58pm

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

No, but it says what they're allowed to do when they're in Australia. How could you possibly screen people for their belief systems?

You couldn't, which is why my solution is the correct one - no migrants from arab league nations + Pakistan. Oh so easy, and oh so effective.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #160 - May 9^th, 2016 at 2:59pm What about the Balinese, Honks?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #161 - May 9^th, 2016 at 3:00pm STOP THE BOATS.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #162 - May 9^th, 2016 at 3:40pm Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:59pm: What about the Balinese, Honks? What about them?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #163 - May 9^th, 2016 at 4:04pm Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 3:00pm: STOP THE BOATS. STOP THE GOATS "Hundreds of goats move into Goldfields town of Kambalda"
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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #164 - May 9^th, 2016 at 4:23pm

... wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

No, but it says what they're allowed to do when they're in Australia. How could you possibly screen people for their belief systems?

You couldn't, which is why my solution is the correct one - no migrants from arab league nations + Pakistan. Oh so easy, and oh so effective.

Which would of course require us tearing up the refugee convention we signed - and we'd have to abandon the old "queue jumpers" ruse thats worked so well to justify our boat policy - since we'll cease pretending to care even about those in the "queue".

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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