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Reply #165 - May 9^th, 2016 at 4:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 4:23pm:

... wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

No, but it says what they're allowed to do when they're in Australia. How could you possibly screen people for their belief systems?

You couldn't, which is why my solution is the correct one - no migrants from arab league nations + Pakistan. Oh so easy, and oh so effective.

Which would of course require us tearing up the refugee convention we signed - and we'd have to abandon the old "queue jumpers" ruse thats worked so well to justify our boat policy - since we'll cease pretending to care even about those in the "queue".

So?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #166 - May 9^th, 2016 at 5:22pm ... wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 3:40pm: Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:59pm: What about the Balinese, Honks? What about them? We'd have to ban them too, shurely.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #167 - May 9^th, 2016 at 5:23pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 4:04pm: Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 3:00pm: STOP THE BOATS. STOP THE GOATS "Hundreds of goats move into Goldfields town of Kambalda" Eid, was it? Tree-lopping season?
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Reply #168 - May 9^th, 2016 at 5:39pm

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Are we allowed to discriminate on the basis of political ideology?

Alas, FD, the people voted on that in the referendum to ban the Communist Party.

The answer was a resounding no.

I don't think discrimination on the basis of political ideology in immigration policy would require us to ban any political parties Karnal. Would could call it a character test. If someone is ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy, they are of unsound character.

How does our banning of terrorist organisations get around this issue?

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

It is true. It is on the wiki.

Quote me.

No problem. It is on the wiki after all.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

You deflected Gandalf. You have not said whether you think it is racist. Kind of hypocritical don't you think given your eagerness to see racism in every criticism of Islam?

Short answer then, I don't consider "arabia for arabs" as "blatant racism". Of course it could be racist depending on the context in which it is used. But the context Aussie used is clearly that of the Israeli annexation and forceful eviction of the inhabitants. Objecting to that is not racist by any stretch.

I'll take your refusal to answer where Aussie said "ethnic cleansing is the solution" - as yet another case of you making crap up.

The "context" Gandalf refers to includes a video clip from Lawrence of Arabia that Aussie posted so we could tell what Arabs look like. Ironically, from what I could tell, most of the actors were Europeans with a bit of careful selection and a lot of makeup and fancy dress.

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Reply #169 - May 9^th, 2016 at 5:49pm

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 1:01pm:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

Are we allowed to discriminate on the basis of political ideology?

Alas, FD, the people voted on that in the referendum to ban the Communist Party.

The answer was a resounding no.

I don't think discrimination on the basis of political ideology in immigration policy would require us to ban any political parties Karnal. Would could call it a character test. If someone is ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy, they are of unsound character.

How does our banning of terrorist organisations get around this issue?

A terrorist organization is organized crime, FD. Legal provisions certainly exist for that. But if you're arguing we could screen people's characters to prevent them committing crimes, you clearly have no understanding of the law, which only screens people's characters after they've committed crimes.

But yes, if you're suggesting we should ban characters who belong to terrorist organizations, no worries. We do that already.

It is a jolly world, no?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #170 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:22pm I suggest we screen out any immigrants who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy. Gandalf will reassure us that this has nuffin to do wiv Islam, so you can relax about the religious discrimination angle.
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Reply #171 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:22pm

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

No problem. It is on the wiki after all.

Thanks FD, we can now see your BS in plain view:

BS claim:
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Gandalf recently argued that "Arabia is for Arabs" is not a racist stance

what Gandalf actually said:
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Of course it could be racist

notice any contradiction there hmmm?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #172 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:23pm Ah, so it was not a racist stance when Aussie did it, because you agree wtih him about the Jewish problem?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #173 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:30pm Still unclear FD? Here it is again: BS claim: Quote: Gandalf recently argued that "Arabia is for Arabs" is not a racist stance what Gandalf actually said: Quote: Of course it could be racist
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Reply #174 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:34pm

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

I suggest we screen out any immigrants who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy. Gandalf will reassure us that this has nuffin to do wiv Islam, so you can relax about the religious discrimination angle.

Just have secular immigration, simple.

If it's really so important for them to get their Muzzie on, there are plenty of other options.

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Reply #175 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:36pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:

Still unclear FD? Here it is again:

BS claim:

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Gandalf recently argued that "Arabia is for Arabs" is not a racist stance

what Gandalf actually said:

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Of course it could be racist

It could be, but it wasn't, despite Aussies effort to clarify that he was making a racial distinction with his reference to Arabs and not your apologetic spin about it being a reference to a linguistic group. That was some slippery work you did there Gandalf, but it went straight over Aussie's head unfortunately.

And your latest excuse for why this isn't racism - because you agree with Aussie about the Jews so you simply pretended Aussie did not make the blatantly racism remarks and stuck to how you would have phrased it. You rejected what Aussie actually said and substituted it with your own reality.

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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #177 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:44pm John Smith wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:41pm: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? gold logie? Swings and round a bouts tho, John.
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Reply #178 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:46pm

GordyL wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:34pm:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:22pm:

I suggest we screen out any immigrants who are ideologically opposed to freedom and democracy. Gandalf will reassure us that this has nuffin to do wiv Islam, so you can relax about the religious discrimination angle.

Just have secular immigration, simple.

Good idea.

Can we backdate it, and send this Christian immigrant back?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #179 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:47pm GordyL wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:44pm: Swings and round a bouts tho, John. is that limited to muslims?
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