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Reply #45 - May 6^th, 2016 at 3:13pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

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Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

um no homo - Australia has had mass immigration since 1788 - unabated. Its just that now we let in people with different skin colour. And the decision to start letting in non-whites was out of necessity, there simply wasn't enough whites around the world to sustain the level of immigration we needed.

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Reply #46 - May 6^th, 2016 at 3:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

um no homo - Australia has had mass immigration since 1788 - unabated. Its just that now we let in people with different skin colour. And the decision to start letting in non-whites was out of necessity, there simply wasn't enough whites around the world to sustain the level of immigration we needed.

Wow "no homo" sounds like karnal, did you get your id's mixed up there champ ?

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Reply #47 - May 6^th, 2016 at 3:49pm

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Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Immigration has a net benefit for Australia. We would be in recession without it. This means we'd lose our AAA credit rating, the AUD would go down, terms of trade would rise, interest rates would rise, unemployment would rise, costs for services and imports would rise, and on and on.

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Right. So you'd like to change the global financial system as well.

Good luck with that, Honky.

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Reply #48 - May 6^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

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When you set a low enough bar, such as not parking in your bloody driveway, just about anyone can pass it.

Oh, I set a pretty high bar for my dental work, Honky, I can assure you of that.

So does my Leb Muslim dentist. He got quite cranky when I got fillings done in Bali. He nearly had to do root canal to fix that job.

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Reply #49 - May 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Immigration has a net benefit for Australia. We would be in recession without it. This means we'd lose our AAA credit rating, the AUD would go down, terms of trade would rise, interest rates would rise, unemployment would rise, costs for services and imports would rise, and on and on.

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Right. So you'd like to change the global financial system as well.

Good luck with that, Honky.

Thank you for the good wishes. I'd like to change a hell of a lot, but unfortunately, all I can really change is myself.

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Reply #50 - May 6^th, 2016 at 3:55pm

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Immigration has a net benefit for Australia. We would be in recession without it. This means we'd lose our AAA credit rating, the AUD would go down, terms of trade would rise, interest rates would rise, unemployment would rise, costs for services and imports would rise, and on and on.

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Right. So you'd like to change the global financial system as well.

Good luck with that, Honky.

Thank you for the good wishes. I'd like to change a hell of a lot, but unfortunately, all I can really change is myself.

Very true.

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Reply #52 - May 6^th, 2016 at 3:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

um no homo - Australia has had mass immigration since 1788 - unabated. Its just that now we let in people with different skin colour. And the decision to start letting in non-whites was out of necessity, there simply wasn't enough whites around the world to sustain the level of immigration we needed.

I use the term mass immigration in relation to letting anybody into the country without thinking about the consequences. We were doing just fine without 3rd world immigration from the middle east etc. Actually some groups have been over represented with problem people from day one. You know why?? because our elected officials had their heads up their asses. I'm sure if they had their way they wouldn't have brought any sunni Lebanese out here.

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Reply #53 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

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Reply #55 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #56 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of future radicalization?

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #57 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:18pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

Oh, I know, Homo. We're discussing qualitative phenomena. Do you have the figures?

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #58 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #59 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:21pm

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of future radicalization?

Alas, you'll have to name said Muslim, Gordy. If it's a choice between, say, Waleed Aly and Larry Pickering, that'd be a very hard decision to make.

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