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Reply #60 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Yes.

I was gobsmacked at how unbelievably stupid it was.

Which is why I responded to him with:

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Reply #61 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

Oh, I know, Homo. We're discussing qualitative phenomena. Do you have the figures?

Love, all countries of the world had the things you mentioned. The white man advanced the world to a point where things got better. Example- mortality got better with European medical advancement. All done without Muslims. Name one advancement muslim countries have given the world in modern times? Huh

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Reply #62 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Oh dear Gandy, you're mixing pots again.

Everyone has an equal chance of becoming a criminal.

The Muslim, particularly from the Middle East has the additional risk of becoming radicalized.

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Reply #63 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Tell me why Australia should risk societal functioning and bring millions of Muslims out here?

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Reply #64 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:26pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

Oh, I know, Homo. We're discussing qualitative phenomena. Do you have the figures?

Love, all countries of the world had the things you mentioned. The white man advanced the world to a point where things got better. Example- mortality got better with European medical advancement. All done without Muslims. Name one advancement muslim countries have given the world in modern times? Huh

Sorry, Homo, you forgot to post the data. Feel free to post a link.

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Reply #65 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Tell me why Australia should risk societal functioning and bring millions of Muslims out here?

Are you saying my multicultural ghetto isn't functioning?

How about your back fence with the Pakis?

Please explain.

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Reply #67 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:33pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

Oh, I know, Homo. We're discussing qualitative phenomena. Do you have the figures?

Love, all countries of the world had the things you mentioned. The white man advanced the world to a point where things got better. Example- mortality got better with European medical advancement. All done without Muslims. Name one advancement muslim countries have given the world in modern times? Huh

Sorry, Homo, you forgot to post the data. Feel free to post a link.

I don't need data dear. People live longer now because their nutrition is better due to agricultural advancement and food mass production plus clean water. Coupled with vaccines, eradication of certain diseases and other medical advancements we have doubled our life expectancy. Again nothing to do with Islamic migrants.

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #68 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:33pm

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Oh dear Gandy, you're mixing pots again.

Everyone has an equal chance of becoming a criminal.

The Muslim, particularly from the Middle East has the additional risk of becoming radicalized.

Herein lies the flaw in your logic.

Is a muslim immigrant more likely to become a criminal - irrespective of what type of criminal? That is the question, and until I see evidence to the contrary, the default position has to be no.

Without even considering this crucial piece of information, you simply jump straight to the conclusion that muslims are more prone to criminality because they are prone to "normal" crime + "jihadist" crime, while everyone else is only prone to normal crime.

If we applied your logic, we could say Chinese are at least as "risky" as muslims, because only Chinese immigrants are vulnerable to becoming triad gang criminals - on top of being vulnerable to being regular criminals. Do you understand the flaw in your logic yet?

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Reply #69 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

Oh, I know, Homo. We're discussing qualitative phenomena. Do you have the figures?

Love, all countries of the world had the things you mentioned. The white man advanced the world to a point where things got better. Example- mortality got better with European medical advancement. All done without Muslims. Name one advancement muslim countries have given the world in modern times? Huh

Sorry, Homo, you forgot to post the data. Feel free to post a link.

I don't need data dear. People live longer now because their nutrition is better due to agricultural advancement and food mass production plus clean water. Coupled with vaccines, eradication of certain diseases and other medical advancements we have doubled our life expectancy. Again nothing to do with Islamic migrants.

What about goat meat, Homo?

"Goat meat is lower in fat than chicken, but higher in protein than beef. Goat meat outshines traditional meat sources in most areas: it's lower in calories, total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol. The low levels of saturated fat and cholesterol, combined with its high iron and protein content, make goat meat a good choice for anyone looking for a healthy red meat. It's a leaner, healthier choice when compared to equal serving sizes of chicken, beef and pork."

Yum

The Muzzies threw it over your back fence, didn't they?

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Reply #70 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Tell me why Australia should risk societal functioning and bring millions of Muslims out here?

Are you saying my multicultural ghetto isn't functioning?

How about your back fence with the Pakis?

Please explain.

Yep. Granville is a craphole. Most white people flew away.

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Reply #71 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

Oh, I know, Homo. We're discussing qualitative phenomena. Do you have the figures?

Love, all countries of the world had the things you mentioned. The white man advanced the world to a point where things got better. Example- mortality got better with European medical advancement. All done without Muslims. Name one advancement muslim countries have given the world in modern times? Huh

Sorry, Homo, you forgot to post the data. Feel free to post a link.

I don't need data dear. People live longer now because their nutrition is better due to agricultural advancement and food mass production plus clean water. Coupled with vaccines, eradication of certain diseases and other medical advancements we have doubled our life expectancy. Again nothing to do with Islamic migrants.

What about goat meat, Homo?

"Goat meat is lower in fat than chicken, but higher in protein than beef. Goat meat outshines traditional meat sources in most areas: it's lower in calories, total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol. The low levels of saturated fat and cholesterol, combined with its high iron and protein content, make goat meat a good choice for anyone looking for a healthy red meat. It's a leaner, healthier choice when compared to equal serving sizes of chicken, beef and pork."

Yum

The Muzzies threw it over your back fence, didn't they?

I don't mind goat meat pecca breathe. Goats were out here before the muslims arrived though.

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Reply #73 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm

I still can't see any evidence, Homo. Are you trying to convince me?

Australia developed economically in the post-war era due to its population growth and its foreign trade. This is the current economic dogma. It's not disputed by any economist.

Now I know you wouldn't just make these things up. You must have alternative data.

We'll need to see this, please.

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Reply #74 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:40pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:18pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:13pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:05pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:03pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:56pm:

... wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Which is only "good" if you're a globalist. Which I am not. But we will move on.

Actually you are a globalist Honk, we all are. We have no choice - we literally couldn't exist in this society with our standard of living without being a globalist. And the point K made was that it is basically all propped up by immigration. The western world simply hasn't come up with a model for prosperity that doesn't rely so heavilly on mass immigration. And my point is that since muslim immigrants exist in just about every immigrant source nation, it is simply absurd to suggest they can be separated out and excluded entirely from the program. You'd have better luck focusing on specific nations - while at the same time acknowledging that some muslim nations like Indonesia and Malaysia are no problem whatsoever.

Australia was moving along just fine as a monoculture. It even survived the great depression without mass immigration.

Feel free to discuss pre-WWII Australian living standards, Homo. We'll do a bit of a compare and contrast.

You might want to discuss GDP, wealth distribution, infant mortality, human life span, war, foreign and domestic security, income levels, unemployment, the poverty line, crime rates, savings rates, mortgage rates, inflation, nutrition, the consumer price index, terms of trade - you know, all those things that improved in the post-war period, some as a direct result of mass migration.

The whole world was more primitive dear. Australia had railways, businesses, industry, cities etc etc etc. All done without Muslims.

Oh, I know, Homo. We're discussing qualitative phenomena. Do you have the figures?

Love, all countries of the world had the things you mentioned. The white man advanced the world to a point where things got better. Example- mortality got better with European medical advancement. All done without Muslims. Name one advancement muslim countries have given the world in modern times? Huh

Sorry, Homo, you forgot to post the data. Feel free to post a link.

I don't need data dear. People live longer now because their nutrition is better due to agricultural advancement and food mass production plus clean water. Coupled with vaccines, eradication of certain diseases and other medical advancements we have doubled our life expectancy. Again nothing to do with Islamic migrants.

What about goat meat, Homo?

"Goat meat is lower in fat than chicken, but higher in protein than beef. Goat meat outshines traditional meat sources in most areas: it's lower in calories, total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol. The low levels of saturated fat and cholesterol, combined with its high iron and protein content, make goat meat a good choice for anyone looking for a healthy red meat. It's a leaner, healthier choice when compared to equal serving sizes of chicken, beef and pork."

Yum

The Muzzies threw it over your back fence, didn't they?

I don't mind goat meat pecca breathe. Goats were out here before the muslims arrived though.

Ah.

My mistake.

I thought the tree-lopping Muzzie had introduced it.

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