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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #75 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:43pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Tell me why Australia should risk societal functioning and bring millions of Muslims out here?

Are you saying my multicultural ghetto isn't functioning?

How about your back fence with the Pakis?

Please explain.

Yep. Granville is a craphole. Most white people flew away.

Oh, I see your point now. I thought you meant local services weren't functioning. You know, sewerage, electricity and water supply, garbage collection. You made Granville sound like a suburb in Iraq.

But there you were talking about the level of tintedness. Silly me, eh?

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Reply #76 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:43pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

I still can't see any evidence, Homo. Are you trying to convince me?

Australia developed economically in the post-war era due to its population growth and its foreign trade. This is the current economic dogma. It's not disputed by any economist.

Now I know you wouldn't just make these things up. You must have alternative data.

We'll need to see this, please.

What did I say was wrong Karnal?? Not everything is economics you know. You asked why people didn't live as long and I told you.

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Reply #77 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:44pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Oh dear Gandy, you're mixing pots again.

Everyone has an equal chance of becoming a criminal.

The Muslim, particularly from the Middle East has the additional risk of becoming radicalized.

Herein lies the flaw in your logic.

Is a muslim immigrant more likely to become a criminal - irrespective of what type of criminal? That is the question, and until I see evidence to the contrary, the default position has to be no.

Without even considering this crucial piece of information, you simply jump straight to the conclusion that muslims are more prone to criminality because they are prone to "normal" crime + "jihadist" crime, while everyone else is only prone to normal crime.

If we applied your logic, we could say Chinese are at least as "risky" as muslims, because only Chinese immigrants are vulnerable to becoming triad gang criminals - on top of being vulnerable to being regular criminals. Do you understand the flaw in your logic yet?

Well we could say that with many nationalities. Middle Easterners, particularly Lebanese have been highly involved in gang activity. Vietnamese like to grow a bit of hydro, we could go on and on.

But only Muslims have all these plus the added possibility of them being Islamists/Jihadists.
They just have that added little bonus that nobody else has

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Reply #78 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:44pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

I still can't see any evidence, Homo. Are you trying to convince me?

Australia developed economically in the post-war era due to its population growth and its foreign trade. This is the current economic dogma. It's not disputed by any economist.

Now I know you wouldn't just make these things up. You must have alternative data.

We'll need to see this, please.

What did I say was wrong Karnal?? Not everything is economics you know. You asked why people didn't live as long and I told you.

Is the answer 'goat meat'?

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Reply #79 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

I still can't see any evidence, Homo. Are you trying to convince me?

Australia developed economically in the post-war era due to its population growth and its foreign trade. This is the current economic dogma. It's not disputed by any economist.

Now I know you wouldn't just make these things up. You must have alternative data.

We'll need to see this, please.

What did I say was wrong Karnal?? Not everything is economics you know. You asked why people didn't live as long and I told you.

Don't stay mum with us, Homo. We're all friends here.

Come on, out with your data, thanks.

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Reply #80 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:35pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:20pm:

GordyL wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:15pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 3:56pm:

No, there is no benefit to having muslims here.

Good point, Sprint. I hadn't considered that.

So, Karnal. Lets suppose we have a skilled Muslim immigrant and an equally skilled non-Muslim.

Can you tell me what upside we have taking the Muslim to counter the possible downsides of possible radicalization?

God thats stupid Gordy.

Explain to me how its a bigger risk for a candidate muslim immigrant to become radicalized than it is for any other non-muslim candidate to become a rapist, murderer, drug lord etc etc etc. Have a greater proportion of muslim immigrants become criminal compared to the proportion of non-muslim immigrants? Maybe thats kinda pertinent point to consider before we lurch aimlessly into this inane thought bubble hmmm?

Tell me why Australia should risk societal functioning and bring millions of Muslims out here?

Are you saying my multicultural ghetto isn't functioning?

How about your back fence with the Pakis?

Please explain.

Yep. Granville is a craphole. Most white people flew away.

Oh, I see your point now. I thought you meant local services weren't functioning. You know, sewerage, electricity and water supply, garbage collection. You made Granville sound like a suburb in Iraq.

But there you were talking about the level of tintedness. Silly me, eh?

It's just true. Your suburb "Granville" is an absolute s hithole. It's just fact. It's messy and dangerous. It's slumy looking.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #81 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:47pm
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #82 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:47pm And how's Mum's house in Mt Druitt, Homo? I hope you're still fertilizing the lawn.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137833 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #83 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:50pm Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:47pm: And how's Mum's house in Mt Druitt, Homo? I hope you're still fertilizing the lawn. Those pesky kids are driving their motorbikes over it.
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia? Reply #84 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:51pm Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:47pm: And how's Mum's house in Mt Druitt, Homo? I hope you're still fertilizing the lawn. I don't live in Mt Druitt sugar plum. Not that there's anything wrong with Mt Druitt.
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Reply #86 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:52pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:51pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

And how's Mum's house in Mt Druitt, Homo?

I hope you're still fertilizing the lawn.

I don't live in Mt Druitt sugar plum. Not that there's anything wrong with Mt Druitt.

Does anyone really "live" in Mt Druitt, Homo?

Do they?

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Re: Muslim Immigration: Any upside for Australia?
Reply #87 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:53pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:45pm:

. Your suburb "Granville" is an absolute s hithole. It's just fact. It's messy and dangerous. It's slumy looking.

Now you're starting to sound like Lady Bracknell.

I don't think you should look down on your fellow Western Sydney residents, Homo. We're people too, you know.

What happened to your reverse-snobbery against Greggery's leafy white suburb?

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Reply #88 - May 6^th, 2016 at 4:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

Karnal wrote on May 6^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

And how's Mum's house in Mt Druitt, Homo?

I hope you're still fertilizing the lawn.

Those pesky kids are driving their motorbikes over it.

Your yuppie white enclave wouldn't get many kids living in it Pecca breathe? It's all old white gays with no kids like you.

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