Karnal wrote on May 11
th, 2016 at 11:20pm:
rhino wrote on May 11
th, 2016 at 10:02pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on May 9
th, 2016 at 11:18am:
The best thing about Waleed is how ballistic the knuckleheads are about one of "their" women getting stolen and "forced" into a hijab.
who? Ive not seen or heard that comment from anyone. Sounds like you just made it up. Susan carland isnt exactly a hottie.
Strange. Homo.said she was forced to convert to Islam, and Herbie said she was a hottie.
If Honky cared about the subject, we’d have a trifecta.
I havent heard the comment she was somehow 'stolen" and I think anyone who regards her as attractive ahs their bar set low but certainly in her own words Carland states peer pressure as a Muslim woman to conform to certain customs and cut off anyone who isnt Muslim is enormous.
Quote:The Star is in fact an English-language paper, and I’ll let you judge now from its report who best summed up what Carland in fact said - and whether she did admit to a Malay audience (but not an ABC one) that there is a strong rejectionist strand in our Muslim community:
Speaking at a dinner talk during the conference, organised by the Muslim Professionals Forum and the Women, Family and Community Development Ministry, Carland, who was named Australian Muslim of the Year in 2004, was brutally honest about the treatment of converts at the hands of “born” Muslims.
“Lifting the Veil” (as her talk was aptly titled), what she had to say certainly made many cringe.
Barely have the last words of the shahada (proclamation of faith) left the lips of new converts, she said, they find themselves bombarded with rules to adhere to.
“Never mind that the sister doesn’t know how to pray. She is told she must get rid of all her old clothing, because it is too Western and thus unIslamic and put on the hijab (head scarf) immediately.
“Don’t worry that our new brother has only been a Muslim for three minutes. He’s already been told that he has to throw out all his music and get rid of his dog or he’d be committing a big sin.”
The list of unreasonable pressures on converts includes telling converts to leave their so-called haram jobs immediately, even if the person had no other source of income.
The newbies are asked to give up hobbies like painting, photography, dancing or playing instruments. They’re advised to move out and sever ties with their kafir (infidel) family and non-Muslim friends, while female converts are urged to get married as soon as possible. They are often expected to give up their own cultures and take on Arab, sub-continental, Malay or other cultures because these are deemed to be more “Islamic”. ...
Carland also takes the Muslim community to task for having an almost schizophrenic attitude towards converts.
On one hand, she pointed out, Muslims liked converts because they made them (the Muslims) feel good about themselves and their faith. But on the flip side, converts were often made to feel inferior by those born Muslims…
On mosques, Carland said these institutions were just not supportive enough of new converts.
”Female converts report being shouted out, criticised and, worse, simply ignored by both other women and men, the first time they nervously enter a mosque. Often they report leaving in tears,” she disclosed… She cited an incident in which the father of her close Chinese friend in Malaysia had gone to a mosque here to convert, but was told to leave instead....
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