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when it is not racism
May 9^th, 2016 at 7:47pm

Gandalf recently took a break from telling us how all Islamophobia is based on racism to actually defend something as not being racist. The funny thing was, the comment in question ("Arabia is for Arabs") is about as blatantly racist as you can get. At first Gandalf insisted that Arabs must be a reference to a linguistic group, so therefor it isn't racism. This was questionable logic to begin with. Luckily Aussie followed this up with a clarification, in the form of a Lawrence of Arabia clip to show us what Arabs look like. Still not racist, according to Gandalf.

So why would Gandalf perform such a dramatic backflip from seeing racism where it doesn't exist to denying racism when it is clearly there? It's because Aussie wants to get all the non-Arabs (ie Israelis) out of Israel. Gandalf apparently agrees with this, and Aussie's insistence that Arabia is for Arabs is nothing more than criticising the history of Israel. Suddenly, saying "Arabis is for Arabs" is not actually saying Arabia is for Arabs, it is in fact objecting to forceful evictions (I don't think Aussie ever actually mentions this, he insists the Israelis should leave for their own good, before they get what is coming to them).

See the tapdancing here:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

It is true. It is on the wiki.

Quote me.

No problem. It is on the wiki after all.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 7^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on May 7^th, 2016 at 1:38pm:

You deflected Gandalf. You have not said whether you think it is racist. Kind of hypocritical don't you think given your eagerness to see racism in every criticism of Islam?

Short answer then, I don't consider "arabia for arabs" as "blatant racism". Of course it could be racist depending on the context in which it is used. But the context Aussie used is clearly that of the Israeli annexation and forceful eviction of the inhabitants. Objecting to that is not racist by any stretch.

I'll take your refusal to answer where Aussie said "ethnic cleansing is the solution" - as yet another case of you making crap up.

The "context" Gandalf refers to includes a video clip from Lawrence of Arabia that Aussie posted so we could tell what Arabs look like. Ironically, from what I could tell, most of the actors were Europeans with a bit of careful selection and a lot of makeup and fancy dress.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #1 - May 9^th, 2016 at 7:49pm when it is not racism when it's about protecting women's rights .... namely Muslim women.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #2 - May 9^th, 2016 at 10:14pm When it is not racism: When it takes away the freedoms of decent white people everywhere.
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Jolly Roger Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 189 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #3 - May 9^th, 2016 at 10:44pm Its not racism if you're muslim and it comes out of your mouth.
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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #4 - May 9^th, 2016 at 10:44pm

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 7:47pm:

Gandalf recently took a break from telling us how all Islamophobia is based on racism to actually defend something as not being racist.

I think that we should also ask;

when is Islamophobia not racism ?

Here is Yadda's explanation of what the phenomenon of 'Islamophobia' actually is,
......and an explanation of what is the cause of the phenomenon of 'Islamophobia'.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444366972/261#261
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QUESTION;
WHAT IS AN 'ISLAMOPHOBE' ?

'Islamophobe' is a label which is attributed, by moslems, to anyone who dares to be critical of ISLAM [i.e. dares to be critical of ISLAM's doctrines, and tenets, and laws] or who is critical of some reprehensible behaviour, committed by many moslems, in the name of ISLAM.

But what is an 'Islamophobe' ?

This is the typical mechanism by which someone becomes characterised as an 'Islamophobe', by moslems;

1/ Somewhere, moslems [IN THE NAME OF ISLAM!] will murder someone [or, moslems will attempt to murder someone, or, moslems will threaten someone with violence, or, moslems will say something in an attempt to intimidate someone who is not a moslem]. [this behaviour occurs because, moslems are being, moslems***].

2/ Then, somewhere else, someone will express an open criticism of moslems [for being moslems, i.e. they will express a legitimate criticism of some violent or reprehensible behaviour committed in the name of ISLAM, by moslems [see #1]].

3/ Then, moslems will 'accuse' their critics [see #2] of being an 'Islamophobe'. [as though being an 'Islamophobe' were somehow a legitimate counter-criticism, against the critics of ISLAM. BUT IT ISN'T. 'Islamophobe' is a empty and 'artificial' label.]

That is the truth of it.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #5 - May 9^th, 2016 at 11:02pm When it is not racism: When you propose the idea that interbreeding between.Arabs and the "Negroid sub-race" causes retardation a "compelling theory".
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #6 - May 9^th, 2016 at 11:05pm when it is not racism when their IQ is 81
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Jolly Roger Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 189 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #7 - May 9^th, 2016 at 11:07pm Karnal wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:02pm: When it is not racism: When you propose the idea that interbreeding between.Arabs and the "Negroid sub-race" causes retardation a "compelling theory". Nevertheless fact. It maybe theory to someone with an IQ less than 81 I suppose.
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Jolly Roger Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 189 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #8 - May 9^th, 2016 at 11:08pm John Smith wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:05pm: when it is not racism when their IQ is 81 How ironic - most muslims have an IQ less than 81.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #9 - May 10^th, 2016 at 11:11am When it is not racism: When it's weak genetics caused by generations of inbreeding.
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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #10 - May 10^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

"arabia for arabs" is not "blatant racism". Anyone else agree?

I do however believe it could be racist based on the context it is used - as I pointed out.

The only point I wanted to make in that thread is how hilarious it is watching FD froth at the mouth playing the very caricature that he mocks day in day out - when its about jews. But when its actual blatant racism, involving muslims FD either pretends it doesn't exist, or spinelessly apologises for it.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74702 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #11 - May 10^th, 2016 at 12:55pm Jolly Roger wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:08pm: John Smith wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:05pm: when it is not racism when their IQ is 81 How ironic - most muslims have an IQ less than 81. you should feel right at home with them then
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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #12 - May 10^th, 2016 at 1:04pm

John Smith wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:55pm:

Jolly Roger wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

John Smith wrote on May 9^th, 2016 at 11:05pm:

when it is not racism

when their IQ is 81

How ironic - most muslims have an IQ less than 81.

you should feel right at home with them then

I do feel right at home with them and you both having an IQ less than 81, why would you think any different. Having a higher IQ I feel quiet confident.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: when it is not racism Reply #13 - May 10^th, 2016 at 4:59pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:40pm: "arabia for arabs" is not "blatant racism". Anyone else agree? I do however believe it could be racist based on the context it is used - as I pointed out. Was it racist as Aussie used it?
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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #14 - May 10^th, 2016 at 6:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

"arabia for arabs" is not "blatant racism". Anyone else agree?

I do however believe it could be racist based on the context it is used - as I pointed out.

The only point I wanted to make in that thread is how hilarious it is watching FD froth at the mouth playing the very caricature that he mocks day in day out - when its about jews. But when its actual blatant racism, involving muslims FD either pretends it doesn't exist, or spinelessly apologises for it.

Racism eh!! ?

What about this item gandalf ?

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By Robert Spencer on May 09, 2016 06:15 pm

German refugee centers: Muslims threaten Christian refugees for not taking part in Islamic prayers

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/05/german-refugee-centers-muslims-threaten-chris...

Were those moslems being 'racist' gandalf ?

Or were those moslems, just being 'moslem' ?

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1462577346/84#84
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Here is another 'trick' thought.....

Every moslem supports the introduction of Sharia law.

[.....and Sharia law sanctions the murder of disbelievers, for the crime of their disbelief,

.....whenever a persons disbelief publicly demonstrates blasphemy against ISLAM.

.....e.g. by publicly displaying/expressing that you are a disbeliever.]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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