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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #15 - May 10^th, 2016 at 7:10pm

I find it somewhat hypocritical when an Arab/Muslim sand sucker gets on their high horse about racist (religionist) Australians, when in their country of origin, there is no tolerance what so ever, none, zip, nada, nup nothing.

If you dare to mention another religion, you get kilded, deadded and otherwise screwed.

And then they have the hide to come here and call us racists (Religionists)

I think perhaps they should look in the mirror if they want to see what real life racists look like.

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A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #16 - May 10^th, 2016 at 9:26pm

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 4:59pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 10^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

"arabia for arabs" is not "blatant racism". Anyone else agree?

I do however believe it could be racist based on the context it is used - as I pointed out.

Was it racist as Aussie used it?

Who knows, you were so busy frothing at the mouth you never did get round to explaining the proper context and why it was supposed to be such horrifically vile racism. I think the closest you got was pointing to a clip from Lawrence of Arabia.

But tell me fd, would you put this "blatant racism" in a similar category to moses describing the entire male muslim population as dirty, murderous inbred retards "all squatting to urinate"? Or let me guess, thats just a fair and legitimate criticism of Islam?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: when it is not racism Reply #17 - May 11^th, 2016 at 7:09am Islam is not a race Gandalf, but there is an element of sexism in there if that makes you feel any better. Are you saying that you were still unsure whether it was racist even after Aussie posted that video to show what he meant by Arabs? How much 'context' do you need?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95921 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #18 - May 11^th, 2016 at 9:00am freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 7:09am: Islam is not a race Gandalf, And some of FD’s best friends are swarthy.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #19 - May 11^th, 2016 at 12:38pm freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 7:09am: Are you saying that you were still unsure whether it was racist even after Aussie posted that video to show what he meant by Arabs? You're right, crudely racially stereotyping arabs is definitely racist against jews.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #20 - May 11^th, 2016 at 12:39pm sorry, I meant "blatantly racist".
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Jolly Roger Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 189 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #21 - May 11^th, 2016 at 1:20pm Well this discussion is certainly helping people to further accept and understand muslims. Good stuff.
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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #22 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 12:38pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 7:09am:

Are you saying that you were still unsure whether it was racist even after Aussie posted that video to show what he meant by Arabs?

You're right, crudely racially stereotyping arabs is definitely racist against jews.

Ah, so you would describe Aussie's post as "crudely racially stereoptyping Arabs"?

But not racist?

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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #23 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:49pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 12:38pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 7:09am:

Are you saying that you were still unsure whether it was racist even after Aussie posted that video to show what he meant by Arabs?

You're right, crudely racially stereotyping arabs is definitely racist against jews.

Ah, so you would describe Aussie's post as "crudely racially stereoptyping Arabs"?

But not racist?

If you're saying he was being racist against arabs, I heartily agree. But I thought your beef was his horrible treatment of the jews - you know 'arabia for arabs', and some unknown reference to ethnic cleansing of non-arabs, that you mysteriously could never find for me. Now you bring up the racial caricaturing of arabs, as if this has something to do with his 'blatant racism' against jews. Does that make sense?

You seem confused FD.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: when it is not racism Reply #24 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:54pm So it is "crude racial stereotyping" if Muslims are the victims, but merely a reference to a linguistic group if non-Muslims are the victims? And Muslims can even be the victims of an effort to establish who gets to stay in Aussie's "Arabia is for Arabs" program?
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Reply #25 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:56pm

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

So it is "crude racial stereotyping" if Muslims are the victims, but merely a reference to a linguistic group if non-Muslims are the victims?

what?

you were the one who brought up the racial caricaturing of arabs as evidence of racism, not me.

You need to work out exactly what your so outraged about FD.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #26 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:57pm FD can you at least explain to me the link between "arabia for arabs" and racial caricaturing of arabs? Is it "blatant racism" against jews, and why?
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Reply #27 - May 11^th, 2016 at 4:59pm

You are the only one banging on about outrage. I am just trying to figure out which line you are backflipping over. Am I right that your ability to see racism depends entirely on who you identify as the victim, to the point where you will deny what is fairly obvious racism when you agree with it, and invent racism when you disagree?

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Reply #28 - May 11^th, 2016 at 6:55pm

FD I'm happy to call out racism against jews where it happens. But you still haven't explained - how is Aussie's caricaturing of arabs related to that? Why won't you answer?

Your attack on Aussie was clearly about his alleged anti-semitism, starting with the "blatantly racist" phrase "arabia for arabs". After asking quite reasonably how such a vague slogan is "blatantly racist" (after acknowledging that it could be racist), you pointed to a) some unknown reference to ethnic cleansing that you never produced despite repeated requests and b) bizarrely, a reference to a racist caricaturing of arabs.

Do you think there's something wrong here FD? Feel free to deflect again.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: when it is not racism
Reply #29 - May 11^th, 2016 at 7:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 6:55pm:

FD I'm happy to call out racism against jews where it happens. But you still haven't explained - how is Aussie's caricaturing of arabs related to that? Why won't you answer?

Your attack on Aussie was clearly about his alleged anti-semitism, starting with the "blatantly racist" phrase "arabia for arabs". After asking quite reasonably how such a vague slogan is "blatantly racist" (after acknowledging that it could be racist), you pointed to a) some unknown reference to ethnic cleansing that you never produced despite repeated requests and b) bizarrely, a reference to a racist caricaturing of arabs.

In my reading Aussie was definately calling for some ethnic cleansing. But to be fair, his whole premise is so dopey I haven't given it much attention.

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