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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: when it is not racism Reply #30 - May 11^th, 2016 at 7:53pm Quote: FD I'm happy to call out racism against jews where it happens. Forget who it is for or against. If I said Australia is only for white people, would you need to identify a victim in order to see racism?
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Reply #31 - May 11^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

So it is "crude racial stereotyping" if Muslims are the victims, but merely a reference to a linguistic group if non-Muslims are the victims?

what?

you were the one who brought up the racial caricaturing of arabs as evidence of racism, not me.

You need to work out exactly what your so outraged about FD.

Islam. FD is outraged about Islam.

Well, that, and Arab interbreeding with the Negroid sub-races.

A plausible theory, no?

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Reply #32 - May 13^th, 2016 at 7:29am

freediver wrote on May 11^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

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FD I'm happy to call out racism against jews where it happens.

Forget who it is for or against. If I said Australia is only for white people, would you need to identify a victim in order to see racism?

But you just did identify a victim(s) FD - non-white people. Its implicit in the statement. I don't think racism makes sense without identifying victims. How can it?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49233 At my desk.	Re: when it is not racism Reply #33 - May 13^th, 2016 at 2:28pm OK. So the victims of "Arabia is for Arabs" are non-Arabs. Are you still confused about whether it is racism?
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74862 Gender:	Re: when it is not racism Reply #34 - May 13^th, 2016 at 2:32pm freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:28pm: So the victims of "Arabia is for Arabs" are non-Arabs. the victims are the white christian folk FD... it's always the white christian folk who are the victims.
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Reply #35 - May 13^th, 2016 at 3:07pm

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

OK. So the victims of "Arabia is for Arabs" are non-Arabs.

Are you still confused about whether it is racism?

You seriously telling me you don't see a difference between this and 'arabia for arabs'?

The equivalent would be 'Australia for Australians' or 'Europe for Europeans'. Of course it could be racist, depending on the context. But it is not even in the same ball-park - 'Australian only for white people' is explicity racist, since it refers to an actual race (or what we have always perceived to be a race - 'white people', there aren't really any races). Whereas 'arabs' refers to a linguistic/cultural group - and in some contexts, even a nationalist group - thus making it comparable to 'europe for europeans'.

Arabia for arabs is not 'blatant racism' by any stretch. This is just you getting all hot and bothered over a perceived slight against the jews - whom you have become the defacto standard bearer for, and we all know why that is. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't weaved in the Banu Qurayza into the conversation yet. Probably saving that up for yet another spin-off thread.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #36 - May 13^th, 2016 at 4:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

OK. So the victims of "Arabia is for Arabs" are non-Arabs.

Are you still confused about whether it is racism?

You seriously telling me you don't see a difference between this and 'arabia for arabs'?

The equivalent would be 'Australia for Australians' or 'Europe for Europeans'. Of course it could be racist, depending on the context. But it is not even in the same ball-park - 'Australian only for white people' is explicity racist, since it refers to an actual race (or what we have always perceived to be a race - 'white people', there aren't really any races). Whereas 'arabs' refers to a linguistic/cultural group - and in some contexts, even a nationalist group - thus making it comparable to 'europe for europeans'.

Arabia for arabs is not 'blatant racism' by any stretch. This is just you getting all hot and bothered over a perceived slight against the jews - whom you have become the defacto standard bearer for, and we all know why that is. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't weaved in the Banu Qurayza into the conversation yet. Probably saving that up for yet another spin-off thread.

Lol what a racist rant, of course it is racist anyone can see that even you.

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Reply #37 - May 14^th, 2016 at 10:53am

the title of this thread is;

when it is not racism

When ?

When moslems discriminate against non-moslems, .....on the basis that the non-moslems are 'white'.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1463180183/0#0
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London's transport authority is far too dominated by white men, Labour's mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan said today.

There are currently 13 white men on the Transport for London board and just three women. Khan said he would ensure the board better reflected the "diversity" of Londoners if he becomes mayor.

It is not discrimination,

.....when you promote those who better 'represent' the same ethnic group as that of the new 'boss man' !

And isn't that, what new London mayor, Sadiq Khan, has actually said!!!!

It is not discrimination!!

It is all about righting apparent wrongs you see. Tongue

And skin colour is an important factor in exposing the 'inequality' among those, who dedicate their lives to the service of the public/community.

This is for the good, ....OF ALL MANKIND!

Honest!

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Reply #38 - May 14^th, 2016 at 3:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:28pm:

OK. So the victims of "Arabia is for Arabs" are non-Arabs.

Are you still confused about whether it is racism?

You seriously telling me you don't see a difference between this and 'arabia for arabs'?

The equivalent would be 'Australia for Australians' or 'Europe for Europeans'. Of course it could be racist, depending on the context. But it is not even in the same ball-park - 'Australian only for white people' is explicity racist, since it refers to an actual race (or what we have always perceived to be a race - 'white people', there aren't really any races). Whereas 'arabs' refers to a linguistic/cultural group - and in some contexts, even a nationalist group - thus making it comparable to 'europe for europeans'.

Arabia for arabs is not 'blatant racism' by any stretch. This is just you getting all hot and bothered over a perceived slight against the jews - whom you have become the defacto standard bearer for, and we all know why that is. Frankly I'm surprised you haven't weaved in the Banu Qurayza into the conversation yet. Probably saving that up for yet another spin-off thread.

Forget the hyperbole Gandalf. Simple question: is it racist?

Did Aussie's video showing what Arabs look like not alert you to the fact he was referring to a racial group rather than a 'linguistic' group? Are you going to stick with 'no such thing as a race' in order to defend this racism?

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Reply #39 - May 14^th, 2016 at 6:07pm

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

Forget the hyperbole Gandalf. Simple question: is it racist?

Did Aussie's video showing what Arabs look like not alert you to the fact he was referring to a racial group rather than a 'linguistic' group? Are you going to stick with 'no such thing as a race' in order to defend this racism?

Simple answer: it could be racist depending on the context - but it is not "blatant racism", anymore than "Europe for Europeans" is blatant racism. Hilarious you talking about hyperbole given your hysterics in that thread. By the way, have you found Aussie's call for ethnic cleansing yet?

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Reply #40 - May 14^th, 2016 at 6:13pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

Forget the hyperbole Gandalf. Simple question: is it racist?

Did Aussie's video showing what Arabs look like not alert you to the fact he was referring to a racial group rather than a 'linguistic' group? Are you going to stick with 'no such thing as a race' in order to defend this racism?

Simple answer: it could be racist depending on the context - but it is not "blatant racism", anymore than "Europe for Europeans" is blatant racism. Hilarious you talking about hyperbole given your hysterics in that thread. By the way, have you found Aussie's call for ethnic cleansing yet?

He is not calling for a Europe for Europeans, he is calling for the equivalent of Arabs out of Europe. He wants an expulsion.

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Reply #41 - May 14^th, 2016 at 6:18pm

If someone acts and talks like a m0ron and then tries to get a free pass for it on the basis of his race, he is still a m0ron. The only difference is that nobody is scared to call out white supremacists but everyone is supposed to be cowering before a non-white m0ron who declares that any opposition to his views by whites is racism.

As if non-whites were immune to being total nice people - a very unlikely thing if you look at the societies they have created and are existing in, and are trying to escape from in very large numbers to 'racist' societies created by whites.

Have you noticed? - nobody is begging to be settled in non-white countries? Nobody. Not whites, not non-whites. Nobody.

Is it racists to notice stuff like that?

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Reply #42 - May 15^th, 2016 at 9:56am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 6:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 3:24pm:

Forget the hyperbole Gandalf. Simple question: is it racist?

Did Aussie's video showing what Arabs look like not alert you to the fact he was referring to a racial group rather than a 'linguistic' group? Are you going to stick with 'no such thing as a race' in order to defend this racism?

Simple answer: it could be racist depending on the context - but it is not "blatant racism", anymore than "Europe for Europeans" is blatant racism. Hilarious you talking about hyperbole given your hysterics in that thread. By the way, have you found Aussie's call for ethnic cleansing yet?

Is it racist in the context that Aussie used it?

Try giving a straight answer without the hyperbole this time.

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Reply #43 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:06am

You mean your imaginary context that curiously you could never demonstrate?

As I said all along - the context I saw, which was foreign invasion and occupation, no its not racist. But feel free to show me the ethnic cleansing context you assured me it was in.

Do you think its a bit rich banging on for weeks about the vague phrase 'arabia for arabs' and how 'blatantly racist' it is (as well as accusing me of hyperbole LOL) - but claim with a straight face that moses's outrageous statement about 100% of muslim males being dirty inbred psychopaths who all squat to wee isn't racist?

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Reply #44 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:15am

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As I said all along - the context I saw, which was foreign invasion and occupation, no its not racist.

I don't think Aussie ever mentioned that. You did, in an effort to justify his racism. He did post a video to show us what Arabs look like, after I drew his attention to your "linguistic group" deflection.

Does the historical context make "Arabia is for Arabs" not racist? You never did explain this logic. You appear to be arguing that because you agree with the racism, it is not racist.

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