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Reply #90 - May 16th, 2016 at 9:59am
 
GordyL wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 9:25am:
greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 9:18am:
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 8:30am:
What is a union except a cartel trying to manipulate the price of labor.


Once again, astounding ignorance.



Wharfies?


Those economic rents again. Wharfies are the epitome of such.
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Reply #91 - May 16th, 2016 at 10:04am
 

When an EBA is negotiated, the wages & conditions in that document are merely the minimum for all employees.

Employers do not have to pay all employees the same rate.

If they feel that any particular employee is more valuable than an other, they can pay them any amount they want above the EBA rate.

There is absolutely nothing stopping an employer paying their best employees twice as much as everyone else in the company. Ten times as much, if they want.

Every single employee can be on a different rate of pay, according to their productivity, level of sycophancy, etc.

Similarly, better employees can be given extra benefits, such as longer lunch breaks, more annual leave, days off on their birthday, etc.
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Reply #92 - May 16th, 2016 at 10:08am
 

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Reply #93 - May 16th, 2016 at 11:08am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 9:45am:
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 9:33am:
But collective bargaining for human labor is an abhoration. One worker is most certainly not the same as the next worker.
to treat them all as a commodity is extremely disempowering and humiliating for them and a form of enslavement.


More of your astounding ignorance.

When an EBA is negotiated, the wages & conditions in that document are merely the minimum for all employees.

Employers do not have to pay all employees the same rate.

If they feel that any particular employees are more valuable than others, they can pay them any amount they want above what is in the EBA.

There is absolutely nothing stopping an employer paying their best employees twice as much as everyone else in the company.

Every single employee can be on a different rate of pay, according to their productivity etc.

Similarly, better employees can be given extra benefits, such as longer lunch breaks, more annual leave, etc.

You (and many others on here) really do know very little about EBAs and their application in the workplace.





this sounds like an ebay auction where there is a floor price which prevents the market operating efficiently.

my observation is that once you put a minimum bid, people lose interest in the auction.

the mediocre items need to be put up for auction with an opening bid of 99 cents and then we will find out their true worth.

This is the "purity' of the market before the unions "pollute " it by demanding unnatural conditions like a "minimum wage"

No one in small business, the engine room of the economy, has such a "minimum wage" and these are the people with courage grit and drive.

Why would we therefore give a "minimum wage" to people who are meek lazy and lack courage. 

Minimum wage for small business owners, gauranteed by the government. Wink
Workers to be paid at a rate determined by the market, to encourage them to try to become more valuable.

This is the way of the superior economy
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Reply #94 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:25pm
 
I've got more:-

Now that Bloggistan has won the war, and the guy become Emperor Bloggist I - he sees that he has control of all the market space, and can dispose of his camel gonads and coconut leaves anywhere, any time at any price.

Before too long, a Faraway Islander, intent on gathering camel gonads and coconut leaves in the traditional manner for supper ... sees an opportunity to make a profit by harnessing the gathering of these staples, and then competing in the world market......

and so it goes....

'comparative advantage' is a descriptor - not a solution.
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Reply #95 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:30pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 9:45am:
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 9:33am:
But collective bargaining for human labor is an abhoration. One worker is most certainly not the same as the next worker.
to treat them all as a commodity is extremely disempowering and humiliating for them and a form of enslavement.


More of your astounding ignorance.

When an EBA is negotiated, the wages & conditions in that document are merely the minimum for all employees.

Employers do not have to pay all employees the same rate.

If they feel that any particular employees are more valuable than others, they can pay them any amount they want above what is in the EBA.

There is absolutely nothing stopping an employer paying their best employees twice as much as everyone else in the company.

Every single employee can be on a different rate of pay, according to their productivity etc.

Similarly, better employees can be given extra benefits, such as longer lunch breaks, more annual leave, etc.

You (and many others on here) really do know very little about EBAs and their application in the workplace.





Correct - all must be paid the minimum - if the employer feels more can be achieved by paying the best workers more.. so be it.

This sort of argument goes round and round and often using misleading of mislead interpretations.... WorkChoices was supposed to provide 'flexibility' on the part of a capable (LMAO) management and thus boost productivity - instead it became, in the minds of lesser 'managers' driven by ego and not ability -an opportunity to dominate the worker/employer relationship and drive down conditions and wages.

Stupid as....

In breaking news from Malbunistan.... car workers are set to be dumped on the jobs market at the rate of 40,000.......... meanwhile Labor has come up with a $59m plan to aid those workers....... https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31607362/labor-has-59m-plan-for-car-workers/   ............ more in our full news at six.......


Here is some still life:-  https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/31607362/labor-has-59m-plan-for-car-workers/
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Reply #96 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:32pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 11:08am:
this sounds like an ebay auction where there is a floor price which prevents the market operating efficiently.



rubbish ... most cars sold are sold with a reserve price. Market operates just fine
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Reply #97 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:33pm
 
aquascoot wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 11:08am:
This is the "purity' of the market before the unions "pollute " it by demanding unnatural conditions like a "minimum wage"


The minimum wage is set by the Fair Work Commission.
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Reply #98 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:42pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 1:25pm:
I've got more:-

Now that Bloggistan has won the war, and the guy become Emperor Bloggist I - he sees that he has control of all the market space, and can dispose of his camel gonads and coconut leaves anywhere, any time at any price.

Before too long, a Faraway Islander, intent on gathering camel gonads and coconut leaves in the traditional manner for supper ... sees an opportunity to make a profit by harnessing the gathering of these staples, and then competing in the world market......

and so it goes....

'comparative advantage' is a descriptor - not a solution.


Who ever described it as a solution. It always has been a description.

You're learning, slowly but you're learning.

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Reply #99 - May 16th, 2016 at 2:08pm
 
I thought I was well ahead of the game there....
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Reply #100 - May 16th, 2016 at 8:38pm
 
Dnarever wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 8:29pm:
John Smith wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 7:37pm:
Webtoad wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 7:23pm:
as do many professionals.



professionals get an allowance for that as part f their salary


They are also compensated for penalty rates for shifts that they will never work in all probability.


I am not.
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