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Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger
May 15^th, 2016 at 10:00am

polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 9:51am:

freediver wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 13^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

Are you trying to convince me he was a warmonger, or yourself FD?

Do you seen any significance at all in the fact that my religious beliefs are based on a prophet that was the very opposite of a warmonger? Even if you think that makes me delusional?

I've never worked out this campaign of yours to convince me Islam is based on evil and warmongering. You should know by now it has nothing to do with my actual beliefs.

Are you talking about Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger?

Correct.

Did he wage wars?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #1 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:09am piss off ffs
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #2 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:11am you could have at least dug up one of the hundreds of discussions we've had on this before, instead of pretending I haven't already dealt with this topic to death.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106557 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #3 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:16am Muhammad was a war monger and Jesus has forgiven him. namaste
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #4 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:17am I don't recall you ever describing Muhammed as the very opposite of a warmonger. Most Muslims take pride in his military feats. Feel free to post a link. Is this part of your Islamic reform package?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #5 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:46am freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 10:17am: I don't recall you ever describing Muhammed as the very opposite of a warmonger. ffs. Why do I bother?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #6 - May 15^th, 2016 at 10:54am Does your Islamic reform involve rewriting Islam's history such that Muhammed was the opposite of a warmonger? Would you also describe Jesus as the opposite of a warmonger?
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Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger
Reply #7 - May 15^th, 2016 at 11:11am

My Islamic reform involves accepting and reclaiming the standard mainstream historical view that Muhammad was not a warmonger - you know guys who knew a bit about it, Montommery Watt, Reza Aslan - actual authorities in this field, as opposed to hacks like Robert Spenser and Jihadwatch.

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 10:54am:

Would you also describe Jesus as the opposite of a warmonger

Yes, but he didn't have a state to run. Apples and oranges.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #8 - May 15^th, 2016 at 11:16am Did Muhammed wage wars? Did he end up with a 'state to run' by some kind of accident? How does this fit in with your "opposite of a warmonger" narrative?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #9 - May 15^th, 2016 at 12:29pm Ah yes, I forgot, Muhammad conquered Spain. Carry on...
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #10 - May 15^th, 2016 at 12:43pm Are you having trouble reading Gandalf? Did Muhammed wage wars? Did he end up with a 'state to run' by some kind of accident? How do his military exploits fit in with your "opposite of a warmonger" narrative?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #11 - May 15^th, 2016 at 12:50pm Ever considered looking up the literally dozens of times I've answered these exact same questions before hmmm? You can even interpret them as me saying I want to kill gays for flaunting their sexuality mardi gras style if you like.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49389 At my desk.	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #12 - May 15^th, 2016 at 12:58pm Have you ever claimed Muhammed was the very opposite of a warmonger before? Can you quote me saying Muhammed conquered Spain? If Muhammed was the very opposite of a warmonger, how do you explain all the wars he waged?
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Reply #13 - May 15^th, 2016 at 2:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 11:11am:

My Islamic reform involves accepting and reclaiming the standard mainstream historical view that Muhammad was not a warmonger - you know guys who knew a bit about it, Montommery Watt, Reza Aslan - actual authorities in this field, as opposed to hacks like Robert Spenser and Jihadwatch.

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 10:54am:

Would you also describe Jesus as the opposite of a warmonger

Yes, but he didn't have a state to run. Apples and oranges.

moh did not 'have a state to run'
he murdered people to get it.

he organised political assassinations.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Muhammed - the "very opposite" of a warmonger Reply #14 - May 15^th, 2016 at 2:29pm polite_gandalf wrote on May 15^th, 2016 at 10:09am: piss off ffs spoken like an islamic
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