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Re: Tariffs are not a solution to Australia's malaise
Reply #15 - May 15th, 2016 at 11:51pm
 
Svengali wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 11:38pm:
1. They reduce prices and increase consumption.


You don't seem to understand that this is not a good thing if all industries in Australia are headed for the same fate as the rag trade, which is now happening.

How is this good, eventually we wont have jobs which means no money to buy things.....??!!??

What then.......!!!!!!

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2. Reduced energy consumption causes reduction in greenhouse gases. Higher energy prices encourage energy efficiency which is beneficial to everyone.


You foolish man, so you want to make energy expensive so people will use less...!!!

Wont happen we'll just pay more.

Why don't you lead the way get rid of your carbon footprint, there goes 21st century life my friend, its energy that has lifted us up to this plateau that you currently enjoy.

Will you stop using your computer and talking sh!t on this forum, one way to improve your efficiency.

Going to give up your car and mobile phone...!!!

Pigs dick you'll just chug along the way you have become accustom to, but your energy bills will be much higher.

You'll make the oligarchy very happy, syphoning billions out of our nation.

Idiot.
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Re: Tariffs are not a solution to Australia's malaise
Reply #16 - May 16th, 2016 at 11:02am
 
Ajax wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 11:51pm:
You don't seem to understand that this is not a good thing if all industries in Australia are headed for the same fate as the rag trade, which is now happening.

1. How is this good, eventually we wont have jobs which means no money to buy things.....??!!?? What then.......!!!!!!

2. You foolish man, so you want to make energy expensive so people will use less...!!!


1. Economic efficiency and rationality compels the collapse of uncompetitive industries in the face of more productive and efficient competitors. This produces the most efficient use of resources.

2. Yes!
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Re: Tariffs are not a solution to Australia's malaise
Reply #17 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:24pm
 
The problem is that if Australia does have a strong manufacturing basis then increasing tariff would be a good idea.  Because, then the domestic need will be able to be met.

However, at the moment, our consumers are dependent heavily on overseas import especially from China.   Doing so, even if we get the rebound in investment for manufacturing, it would be at least in 3 to 4 years time.  And in the middle, we will see a rise in prices across the board.   This would be a virtual political suicide for whoever is in power. 

If we increase tariffs, then doubtlessly the other countries who are affected will also most likely increase their tariffs on our export as well.  And that would present a great disadvantage to our producers. 

The solution?  Evolve our economy.  There is no future in competing against $1 per hour cost basis from other countries.  If its not China, then it would be Vietnam, Angola, etc etc.   We should learn from the best - like Germany.  We need to innovate, and we need use our brand of reliability and trustworthy.  But to do that, we need investments in infrastructure, research and education.  We are gravely lacking in these departments.  I think, this is more of a threat to our future than cheap Chinese imports.
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Reply #18 - May 16th, 2016 at 1:26pm
 
free trade drags us down to the lowest common denominator. Bring back tariffs.
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Reply #19 - May 16th, 2016 at 2:00pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
free trade drags us down to the lowest common denominator. Bring back tariffs.


Supporting uncompetitive, inefficient, low productivity industries with tariffs has never worked.

Economies of scale of competitors guarantees they wont work.

Furthermore protected industries don't invest in research and innovation and they fall further behind with time. They don't invest because they know they have no future and they cash in as along as they can.
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Reply #20 - May 16th, 2016 at 3:44pm
 
john (the lier) howard once said that the only way Australia could compete with other third world countries is that workers would have to work for third world wages.
Not his exact words, it was during question time a few years ago.

He then set out to achieve just that.
Work choices, giving power to business, making welfare unattainable or very difficult to get.
He tried to remove guns from the public so that the revolution could be quelled.

He failed, as he did in everything he did, not only a lier, but also a failure.

Instead, Govco is gradually working on this plan again.
Eventually the revolution will come.

Ill build the guillotines to lop off the politicians heads.
And just in case it ends quickly, Ill build a high speed head lopper, so that we can get as many as possible, just in case.
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Reply #21 - May 16th, 2016 at 4:43pm
 
freediver wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 8:48pm:
I agree. Free trade is good.


There's no such thing.
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Reply #22 - May 16th, 2016 at 4:44pm
 
Valkie wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 3:44pm:
john (the lier) howard once said that the only way Australia could compete with other third world countries is that workers would have to work for third world wages.
Not his exact words, it was during question time a few years ago.

He then set out to achieve just that.
Work choices, giving power to business, making welfare unattainable or very difficult to get.
He tried to remove guns from the public so that the revolution could be quelled.

He failed, as he did in everything he did, not only a lier, but also a failure.

Instead, Govco is gradually working on this plan again.
Eventually the revolution will come.

Ill build the guillotines to lop off the politicians heads.
And just in case it ends quickly, Ill build a high speed head lopper, so that we can get as many as possible, just in case.


Here's an opportunity for you:

Guillotines which can be operated by indolent dole bludgers from a horizontal position on their couch are yet to be invented.
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Re: Tariffs are not a solution to Australia's malaise
Reply #23 - May 16th, 2016 at 4:50pm
 
Svengali wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
free trade drags us down to the lowest common denominator. Bring back tariffs.


Supporting uncompetitive, inefficient, low productivity industries with tariffs has never worked.

Economies of scale of competitors guarantees they wont work.

Furthermore protected industries don't invest in research and innovation and they fall further behind with time. They don't invest because they know they have no future and they cash in as along as they can.


You must have sore nuts sitting on the fence .... talking up Tory inspired competition policy & private enterprise spiel ...

then dragging out your best looney left rhetoric for climate change, reducing green house gases whilst defending the spending of billions on minorities, muslim reffos & leftwing luvvie causes.

Talk about ambidextrous ... but then again you'd have to have two.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - May 16th, 2016 at 5:14pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 4:50pm:
Svengali wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
John Smith wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 1:26pm:
free trade drags us down to the lowest common denominator. Bring back tariffs.


Supporting uncompetitive, inefficient, low productivity industries with tariffs has never worked.

Economies of scale of competitors guarantees they wont work.

Furthermore protected industries don't invest in research and innovation and they fall further behind with time. They don't invest because they know they have no future and they cash in as along as they can.


You must have sore nuts sitting on the fence .... talking up Tory inspired competition policy & private enterprise spiel ...

then dragging out your best looney left rhetoric for climate change, reducing green house gases whilst defending the spending of billions on minorities, muslim reffos & leftwing luvvie causes.

Talk about ambidextrous ... but then again you'd have to have two.  Roll Eyes


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Reply #25 - May 16th, 2016 at 7:29pm
 
Gnads wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 4:43pm:
freediver wrote on May 15th, 2016 at 8:48pm:
I agree. Free trade is good.


There's no such thing.


Totally agree.... free trade is between equal partners - not one side having essentially a slave economy and the other trying to stay afloat in an all-volunteer and mutual prosperity for worker and employer regime...

This is a bit like the North v South thing in the US pre the Civil War... only it's Mahatma Ho Fung pickin' dat cotton an' dem Damned Yankees thinking they's got da better way o' life dere... and it jest ain't fair dat dem slave owners gits their labour fo' free o' nearly...
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Reply #26 - May 16th, 2016 at 7:39pm
 
If all countries introduced tariffs against low wage countries and against their industrialized rivals world trade would shrink substantially and everybody in the world would be worse off.

Free trade and absence of tariffs is beneficial to all mankind.
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Reply #27 - May 16th, 2016 at 7:44pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 7:39pm:
If all countries introduced tariffs against low wage countries and against their industrialized rivals world trade would shrink substantially and everybody in the world would be worse off.

Free trade and absence of tariffs is beneficial to all mankind.


Tell that to the unemployed, the under-employed and the increasing unemployable as they line up at the social security office.  I'm certain they are all happy to take one for the team.... as long as Mahatma Hung Lo gets to work for $2 a day and can buy a bag of rice.

'Free trade' and 'globalisation' helps the middle men to grow richer - not humanity as a whole.
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Re: Tariffs are not a solution to Australia's malaise
Reply #28 - May 16th, 2016 at 7:46pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 16th, 2016 at 7:39pm:
If all countries introduced tariffs against low wage countries and against their industrialized rivals world trade would shrink substantially and everybody in the world would be worse off.

Free trade and absence of tariffs is beneficial to all mankind.


Why are you now using this nic Svengali?
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