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Reply #90 - May 19th, 2016 at 3:53pm
 
Noticed Mutton spent most of today backtracking and telling us great the asylum seekers have been for his country  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #91 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:05pm
 
Apart from the dubious claim about refugees taking jobs from Australians what Dutton actually said rings true.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/federal-election...

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The point is that the government is right to be wary about the economic costs of taking more refugees, given the above information.

The current annual intake is 13,750 humanitarian entrants, a figure that has been in place for some time. The government plans to increase this figure to 18,750 in 2018-19, as well as accept an additional 12,000 Syrian refugees in the meantime.

Labor, by contrast, wants to increase the humanitarian annual intake to 27,000, which is estimated to cost an additional $2.3 billion over the budget forward estimates. The Greens want 50,000, which would cost an additional $7bn.


If you want stats backing up Dutton they are available on the Net and also in the article I have added the link to.

Get that Swinny...?
The link takes you to the actual article... Grin Grin Grin
I know you have problems understanding that.
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Reply #92 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:08pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:05pm:
Apart from the dubious claim about refugees taking jobs from Australians what Dutton actually said rings true.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/federal-election...

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The point is that the government is right to be wary about the economic costs of taking more refugees, given the above information.

The current annual intake is 13,750 humanitarian entrants, a figure that has been in place for some time. The government plans to increase this figure to 18,750 in 2018-19, as well as accept an additional 12,000 Syrian refugees in the meantime.

Labor, by contrast, wants to increase the humanitarian annual intake to 27,000, which is estimated to cost an additional $2.3 billion over the budget forward estimates. The Greens want 50,000, which would cost an additional $7bn.


If you want stats backing up Dutton they are available on the Net and also in the article I have added the link to.

Get that Swinny...?
The link takes you to the actual article... Grin Grin Grin
I know you have problems understanding that.


Link = paywall.

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Apart from the dubious claim about refugees taking jobs from Australians what Dutton actually said rings true.


Are you seeking to minimise or excuse the 'apart' bit?
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Reply #93 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:18pm
 
No Troll I don't excuse it and haven't excused it.
But unlike you I haven't ignored the truth in the larger part of what he said.

So are you ignoring it still or do you think he's wrong when the facts say he's right?
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Reply #94 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:19pm
 
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Reply #95 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:22pm
 
Paywall?
ABS stats....

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So what do we know?

Three quarters of refugees who come to Australia have some high school education or lower levels. Close to one-fifth have no formal education.

These results really should not surprise us because so many refugees have come from war-torn countries and have lived chaotic lives.

What is perhaps more disturbing is the fact that 60 per cent of refugees have not acquired a new qualification five years after their arrival.

As the Settlement of New Arrivals report notes: “Most who arrive with little or no education do not obtain any education after arrival.’’

We also know that few have jobs. According to the latest figures, less than one-quarter of refugees work for a wage or salary and almost 12 per cent are unemployed. This compares with 80 per cent of skilled migrants who work for a wage or salary.

As far as welfare dependence is concerned, a high percentage of refugees receive Centrelink payments, even five years after arriving. Again quoting the Settlement of New Arrivals report: “Humanitarian entrants are heavily dependent on Centrelink payments and, based on information reported in this survey, that dependency reduces only slightly over time.’’

There are, however, some marked differences according to country of birth. For example, nearly 94 per cent of refugees from Afghanistan receive Centrelink payments five years on compared with 73 per cent of refugees from Sri Lanka.

The ABS survey on the personal incomes of migrants tells us that refugees earn much less than other migrants and take many years to settle in.

Even after 10 years, refugees earn less than half of what skilled migrants earn, on average.
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Reply #96 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:24pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:18pm:
No Troll I don't excuse it and haven't excused it.
But unlike you I haven't ignored the truth in the larger part of what he said.

So are you ignoring it still or do you think he's wrong when the facts say he's right?


Sometimes it is more diplomatic not to use brutish language when you can make the same point  (as Turdfull did) without being accusatorial or derogatory.

Dutton is a clumsy clutz.
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Reply #97 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:24pm:
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:18pm:
No Troll I don't excuse it and haven't excused it.
But unlike you I haven't ignored the truth in the larger part of what he said.

So are you ignoring it still or do you think he's wrong when the facts say he's right?


Sometimes it is more diplomatic not to use brutish language when you can make the same point  (as Turdfull did) without being accusatorial or derogatory.


What is so "brutish" about what Grendel said?
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Reply #98 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm
 
What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Re: Dog-whistling Dutton has no clue about refugees
Reply #99 - May 19th, 2016 at 4:54pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm:
What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Grin Grin Grin  THEY CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #100 - May 19th, 2016 at 5:01pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm:
What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Who mentioned 'racist?'


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Reply #101 - May 19th, 2016 at 5:12pm
 
Neil McMahon:

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"They won't be numerate or literate in their own language, let alone English. These people would be taking Australian jobs, there's no question about that. For many of them that would be unemployed, they would languish in unemployment queues and on Medicare and the rest of it so there would be huge cost and there's no sense in sugar-coating that, that's the scenario."

What a moment for Peter Dutton.

Like a mountaineer opting to climb the final stage of Everest in thongs, he first boldly threw aside an Australian leader's favourite tool of trade - dog whistle be gone; no need for it once you have mastered the art of actually barking. And then he gave us what might be called the "English Overboard" affair of the 2016 campaign, a neat bookend to the kiddies-in-the-drink spectacular that so distinguished the 2001 showdown - the very election at which Dutton first presented his chiselled features and chosen fancies to voters.

Dutton's statement on asylum seekers was, in its way a work of art - and a particularly Queensland work of art at that. Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen himself would've been proud to have produced this collision of words and sentences, tumbling forth and governed only by the rule that each sentence was to make a swift nonsense of the sentence immediately preceding it.

And what a joy it is to behold - a minister holding forth on questions of literacy with the grammatical flair of an autocorrected drunk text.
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Re: Dog-whistling Dutton has no clue about refugees
Reply #102 - May 19th, 2016 at 5:13pm
 
More panty wetting from the right-whingers.

Geez, those poll must be looking really sad for the Libs....
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Reply #103 - May 19th, 2016 at 5:38pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm:
What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Who mentioned 'racist?'



The Greens and I thought I heard Bill Shorten or some other higher up in the ALP use that word too.

Are you saying no one said it?
Do you think what Dutton said was racist?
Are facts racist?

You aren't very good at following politics are you
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Reply #104 - May 19th, 2016 at 5:51pm
 
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:38pm:
Aussie wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 5:01pm:
Grendel wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 4:38pm:
What was brutish or racist about what Dutton said? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Who mentioned 'racist?'



The Greens and I thought I heard Bill Shorten or some other higher up in the ALP use that word too.

Are you saying no one said it?
Do you think what Dutton said was racist?
Are facts racist?

You aren't very good at following politics are you


I don't care what others say.  I am accountable for what I say, and I made no mention of race.
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