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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #135 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:25pm Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 1:00pm: You see. It was Government staffers leaking to Conroy who is on a Senate Commitee investigating the NBN roll out. Conroy/his Office leaked nothing. How do YOU know this?
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Reply #136 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

Lisa Jones wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 1:00pm:

You see. It was Government staffers leaking to Conroy who is on a Senate Commitee investigating the NBN roll out. Conroy/his Office leaked nothing.

How do YOU know this?

Oh...like everyone else. I've been watching the story develop. I know ~ you would have been busy with at least 12 loads of washing.

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Reply #137 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:28pm

One more time for the terminally delusional and English limited...

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/royal-commission-shows-the-ne...

You see even The Age the biggest mainstream LW Rag in Oz agrees.

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That union officials would consider it appropriate to strike side deals with employers and solicit secret commissions that pumped up the union's coffers (but not the conditions of its members), or to falsify membership numbers and concoct fraudulent records to keep much of this under the radar, is a beggarly state of affairs. It is evidence of a sick culture, one that prevailed at the Victorian branch of the Australian Workers' Union last decade.

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The royal commission examining the financial affairs of trade unions has spent much of this year probing every angle of the AWU's dealings with a range of companies. No one comes out of this unblemished: not the union, its officials, nor the companies involved.

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There were two sides to the corrupt payments identified by the royal commission. The companies that paid commissions to the AWU did so to maintain industrial peace or to ensure they did not have to pay workers their proper rates. They conspired in the skulduggery. They facilitated or acquiesced by waving through fraudulent invoices and other documentation. They must be held accountable.

The relationship between unions and employers should not be perennially hostile and combative. But, inside the AWU, there is evidence that a culture of trickery, conspiracy and illicit dealing gained traction last decade.

Oh look you'll love this one...

For those who maintain the commission is a witch-hunt, you are in denial. Here is the nub. Improper and corrupt activities by union officials corrode the trust of workers – and that will subvert the power of the union movement. It is imperative that the financial corruption, sly dealings, intimidation and standover tactics practised by some Australian unions are exposed, punished and eradicated.

Now I'm sure you didn't mean to say that the commission did not find people criminally guilty, because we all know it can't, because it is not a court of law. We all know many cased have been sent to the public prosecutions office for further investigation by police and if necessary a trial.

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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #138 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

One more time for the terminally delusional and English limited...

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/royal-commission-shows-the-ne...

You see even The Age the biggest mainstream LW Rag in Oz agrees.

Quote:

That union officials would consider it appropriate to strike side deals with employers and solicit secret commissions that pumped up the union's coffers (but not the conditions of its members), or to falsify membership numbers and concoct fraudulent records to keep much of this under the radar, is a beggarly state of affairs. It is evidence of a sick culture, one that prevailed at the Victorian branch of the Australian Workers' Union last decade.

Quote:

The royal commission examining the financial affairs of trade unions has spent much of this year probing every angle of the AWU's dealings with a range of companies. No one comes out of this unblemished: not the union, its officials, nor the companies involved.

Quote:

There were two sides to the corrupt payments identified by the royal commission. The companies that paid commissions to the AWU did so to maintain industrial peace or to ensure they did not have to pay workers their proper rates. They conspired in the skulduggery. They facilitated or acquiesced by waving through fraudulent invoices and other documentation. They must be held accountable.

The relationship between unions and employers should not be perennially hostile and combative. But, inside the AWU, there is evidence that a culture of trickery, conspiracy and illicit dealing gained traction last decade.

Oh look you'll love this one...

For those who maintain the commission is a witch-hunt, you are in denial. Here is the nub. Improper and corrupt activities by union officials corrode the trust of workers – and that will subvert the power of the union movement. It is imperative that the financial corruption, sly dealings, intimidation and standover tactics practised by some Australian unions are exposed, punished and eradicated.

Now I'm sure you didn't mean to say that the commission did not find people criminally guilty, because we all know it can't, because it is not a court of law. We all know many cased have been sent to the public prosecutions office for further investigation by police and if necessary a trial.

Ah.

Many thanks for that info.

Says it all really.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #139 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm When are the sackings going to happen? Breaking into company computers is a sackable offence for everybody else. I bet Labor does nothing about Conroy and his pet maggots. They didn't do anything about Burke and his travel rorts. Labor is so on the nose and won't be getting back into power anytime soon.
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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #140 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

Lisa Jones wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

One more time for the terminally delusional and English limited...

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/royal-commission-shows-the-ne...

You see even The Age the biggest mainstream LW Rag in Oz agrees.

Quote:

That union officials would consider it appropriate to strike side deals with employers and solicit secret commissions that pumped up the union's coffers (but not the conditions of its members), or to falsify membership numbers and concoct fraudulent records to keep much of this under the radar, is a beggarly state of affairs. It is evidence of a sick culture, one that prevailed at the Victorian branch of the Australian Workers' Union last decade.

Quote:

The royal commission examining the financial affairs of trade unions has spent much of this year probing every angle of the AWU's dealings with a range of companies. No one comes out of this unblemished: not the union, its officials, nor the companies involved.

Quote:

There were two sides to the corrupt payments identified by the royal commission. The companies that paid commissions to the AWU did so to maintain industrial peace or to ensure they did not have to pay workers their proper rates. They conspired in the skulduggery. They facilitated or acquiesced by waving through fraudulent invoices and other documentation. They must be held accountable.

The relationship between unions and employers should not be perennially hostile and combative. But, inside the AWU, there is evidence that a culture of trickery, conspiracy and illicit dealing gained traction last decade.

Oh look you'll love this one...

For those who maintain the commission is a witch-hunt, you are in denial. Here is the nub. Improper and corrupt activities by union officials corrode the trust of workers – and that will subvert the power of the union movement. It is imperative that the financial corruption, sly dealings, intimidation and standover tactics practised by some Australian unions are exposed, punished and eradicated.

Now I'm sure you didn't mean to say that the commission did not find people criminally guilty, because we all know it can't, because it is not a court of law. We all know many cased have been sent to the public prosecutions office for further investigation by police and if necessary a trial.

Ah.

Many thanks for that info.

Says it all really.

Yeas, Jones....that is why the raids occurred. They are after alleged Union corruption referred to by the Royal Commission. No one can pull the wool over your eyes, eh!

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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #141 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:43pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

When are the sackings going to happen? Breaking into company computers is a sackable offence for everybody else. I bet Labor does nothing about Conroy and his pet maggots. They didn't do anything about Burke and his travel rorts. Labor is so on the nose and won't be getting back into power anytime soon.

Who said anyone, let alone Conroy, broke into anyone's computer?

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Reply #142 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:45pm

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

When are the sackings going to happen? Breaking into company computers is a sackable offence for everybody else. I bet Labor does nothing about Conroy and his pet maggots. They didn't do anything about Burke and his travel rorts. Labor is so on the nose and won't be getting back into power anytime soon.

Who said anyone, let alone Conroy, broke into anyone's computer?

Even if he didn't receiving stolen goods is just as bad.

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Reply #143 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

When are the sackings going to happen? Breaking into company computers is a sackable offence for everybody else. I bet Labor does nothing about Conroy and his pet maggots. They didn't do anything about Burke and his travel rorts. Labor is so on the nose and won't be getting back into power anytime soon.

I bet Labor is very nervous tonight and who could blame them? They have so many decisions to make.....nominating the official fall guy/s to take the heat for this latest revelation....pondering the effect of a last minute reshuffle during a Federal election.

Bull Shitten must be shitting himself big time. Grin

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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #144 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:47pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

When are the sackings going to happen? Breaking into company computers is a sackable offence for everybody else. I bet Labor does nothing about Conroy and his pet maggots. They didn't do anything about Burke and his travel rorts. Labor is so on the nose and won't be getting back into power anytime soon.

Who said anyone, let alone Conroy, broke into anyone's computer?

Even if he didn't receiving stolen goods is just as bad.

What do you reckon ought be the ultimate outcome for the thief (s/he who leaked) of those goods and the receiver of them......i.e Fairfax et al?

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Webtoad Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 266 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #145 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:48pm It is a shame the AFP didn't investigate Gillard further when she was PM.
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Reply #146 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:55pm

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

When are the sackings going to happen? Breaking into company computers is a sackable offence for everybody else. I bet Labor does nothing about Conroy and his pet maggots. They didn't do anything about Burke and his travel rorts. Labor is so on the nose and won't be getting back into power anytime soon.

Who said anyone, let alone Conroy, broke into anyone's computer?

Even if he didn't receiving stolen goods is just as bad.

What do you reckon ought be the ultimate outcome for the thief (s/he who leaked) of those goods and the receiver of them......i.e Fairfax et al?

Prosecuted and sacked. Conroy, his associates who had leaked info and the leaker. SACKED!!

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #147 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:56pm Webtoad wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:48pm: It is a shame the AFP didn't investigate Gillard further when she was PM. They probably feared being impaled by that long harpoon nose of hers.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38859 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #148 - May 20^th, 2016 at 6:59pm This reeks further now of Government involvement. Gee, I wonder where the photos ended up. (Even I know how to onsend images on my phone and computer....) On Turdfull's desk mayhap? Link.
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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #149 - May 20^th, 2016 at 7:01pm

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:43pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 6:40pm:

When are the sackings going to happen? Breaking into company computers is a sackable offence for everybody else. I bet Labor does nothing about Conroy and his pet maggots. They didn't do anything about Burke and his travel rorts. Labor is so on the nose and won't be getting back into power anytime soon.

Who said anyone, let alone Conroy, broke into anyone's computer?

Even if he didn't receiving stolen goods is just as bad.

What do you reckon ought be the ultimate outcome for the thief (s/he who leaked) of those goods and the receiver of them......i.e Fairfax et al?

Prosecuted and sacked. Conroy, his associates who had leaked info and the leaker. SACKED!!

Great. I guess Pyne, Roy and Brough are in your gun sights as well.

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