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Reply #75 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:00pm
 
You see.  It was Government staffers leaking to Conroy who is on a Senate Commitee investigating the NBN roll out.  Conroy/his Office leaked nothing.
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Reply #76 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
You see.  It was Government staffers leaking to Conroy who is on a Senate Commitee investigating the NBN roll out.  Conroy/his Office leaked nothing.
Conroy's employees stole documents who passed them on to Conroy. NBN then complained about having their data stolen to the police who then did a raid. This is a highly illegal act.
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Reply #77 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:05pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
You see.  It was Government staffers leaking to Conroy who is on a Senate Commitee investigating the NBN roll out.  Conroy/his Office leaked nothing.
Conroy's employees stole documents who passed them on to Conroy. NBN then complained about having their data stolen to the police who then did a raid. This is a highly illegal act.


They work for NBN Co??????????
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Reply #78 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:08pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:05pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
You see.  It was Government staffers leaking to Conroy who is on a Senate Commitee investigating the NBN roll out.  Conroy/his Office leaked nothing.
Conroy's employees stole documents who passed them on to Conroy. NBN then complained about having their data stolen to the police who then did a raid. This is a highly illegal act.


They work for NBN Co??????????
I'd say they busted into their computers. Conroy then photocopied a bunch up and handed them out to his Labor mates in parliament.
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Reply #79 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:10pm
 
Another WATERGATE!!!! Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin LABOR WATERGATE!!!!!!! Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #80 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:19pm
 
From the link in the OP:

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Documents from NBN Co marked "commercial in confidence" were first published by Fairfax in February, but the AFP confirmed the leaks had been referred to them by NBN Co three months earlier.


I guess Fairfax will now be raided too, ey?
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Reply #81 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:38pm
 
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Reply #83 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:46pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 11:18am:
So now Labor ministers (Conway) are authorising the downloading and leaking of classified government documents. Isn't that a form of treason? If he doesn't get sacked a grave injustice has occurred.


did they? perhaps you should let the AFP know so that they don't waste time investigating it again Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #84 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:49pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 12:19pm:
John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 10:06am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 9:01am:
skippy. wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:46pm:
Wow, how desperate are the Libs?
This has got to be the elections Godwin Greach moment. I hope for Turnbulls sake the AFP find something, otherwise this looks like the former Soviet Union keeping the opposition in its place.


Since when does the Liberal Party give orders to the AFP?


ever since politicians got to decide how much funding for the AFP Cheesy Cheesy


The head of the AFP investigation has come out today to strongly deny any political interference. The investigation was requested by NBN Co, not the Government. Both the Government and Opposition were informed of the raid last night. Suck it up, Leftards. The incompetent Conroy and his union hacks have been caught leaking confidential information. Here's hoping he has the book thrown at him.



I'm sure he did ... his funding depends on him sounding credible

the documents they seized are protected by parliamentary privilege. The police CANNOT even consider them until after a senate privileges committee decides what is and is not protected by privileges .... as there is officially no more senate because an election has been called, that CANNOT happen until after the election


the whole point of the raid? to make the headlines  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

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Reply #85 - May 20th, 2016 at 1:51pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 12:55pm:
What did Conroy leak?
Conroy's office which HE is in charge of. Can't you read?


What did they leak? [/quote]It's in the link. God!!!


Labor says the searches on Senator Conroy's Melbourne office and the home of a Labor staffer in the suburb of Brunswick are connected to documents leaked from National Broadband Network (NBN)...........




Documents were stolen from a NBN database.

......The night before the budget, government staffers were handing out cabinet in confidence documents around the press gallery.
  BUSTED!!!!
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make up your mind dopey, did Conroy leak? or did the NBN leak?  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #86 - May 20th, 2016 at 2:22pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:04pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 1:00pm:
You see.  It was Government staffers leaking to Conroy who is on a Senate Commitee investigating the NBN roll out.  Conroy/his Office leaked nothing.
Conroy's employees stole documents who passed them on to Conroy. NBN then complained about having their data stolen to the police who then did a raid. This is a highly illegal act.

I wouldn't be taking "legal" advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between whistleblowing and treason.  Roll Eyes

Your facts are not correct either. There's a big difference between actively stealing documents and being the recipient of leaked documents.

This wouldn't even be a problem if the current government had a tendency to cover up bad news whenever they thought they could get away with it. How NBN is performing is manifestly in the public interest.
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Reply #87 - May 20th, 2016 at 2:52pm
 
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 12:53pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 12:43pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 12:41pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 12:41pm:
Aussie wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 12:31pm:
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The investigation was requested by NBN Co, not the Government.


What the hell do you think NBN co is?  A private Company?


It's a Commonwealth-owned business, not a government agency.


And who are the two shareholders?


Minister for Communications and the Minister of Finance, but before you start saying that they get some sort of financial benefit like you or me being a shareholder of Telstra or Qantas, then think again. It doesn't work that way.


That's not the point.  NBN Co is the Government.  It reports its activities to Government and does the Governments bidding.

NBN Co is NOT the Government you doofus.
No more than it was when Labor breathed life into it under them.  Ooh that's a disturbing fact isn't it.  Maybe they are thinking about how they used to run it eh.
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #88 - May 20th, 2016 at 2:53pm
 
John Smith wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 10:06am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20th, 2016 at 9:01am:
skippy. wrote on May 19th, 2016 at 9:46pm:
Wow, how desperate are the Libs?
This has got to be the elections Godwin Greach moment. I hope for Turnbulls sake the AFP find something, otherwise this looks like the former Soviet Union keeping the opposition in its place.


Since when does the Liberal Party give orders to the AFP?


ever since politicians got to decide how much funding for the AFP Cheesy Cheesy


So I guess if Labor wins office they will direct the AFP investigations.
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Reply #89 - May 20th, 2016 at 3:05pm
 
The AFP's decision to raid a Labor office in the middle of an election campaign may be pure coincidence. But there's enough about this story to feed a narrative that it was more about politics than law enforcement, writes Michael Bradley.

In case you slept in: the Australian Federal Police raided the office of senior Labor senator Stephen Conroy last night, searching for material relating to the serial leaking of confidential information from inside the National Broadband Network Corporation.

When the Turnbull ministry spends all morning telling everyone very loudly in a lot of detail how much they don't know about this event, you get more than a faint whiff of something smelly.

The Government wants us to know two things: (a) the AFP operates entirely independently of the Government and makes its own operational decisions; and (b) THE AFP RAIDED A LABOR PARTY OFFICE LAST NIGHT but we had nothing to do with it. Message received, thank you.

The truth? Who knows. The AFP is supposed to be immune from political influence and uncaring about the timing or public perception of its actions. It is completely unprecedented for the offices of a major political party to be raided by the police during an election campaign, and the raid relates to an investigation that apparently has been ongoing since December 2015, so that's a little passing strange.

Interestingly, this particular raid wasn't entirely just an AFP operation. It's been reported they took along with them an employee of NBN Co. That's not unusual, as the AFP is often brought in to execute search warrants on behalf of Commonwealth agencies who don't have their own guns (such as the Tax Office).

It does, however, mean that the NBN hierarchy must have been aware of, and consulted about, the investigation and raid. Given how politicised the NBN process has been, and the very obvious significance of raiding the ALP, it is reasonable to be sceptical of any suggestion that the minister in charge of the NBN wasn't consulted before this happened.

The relevant Minister is Mitch Fifield. The previous minister, until he became Prime Minister, was Malcolm Turnbull.

Which brings us to the other aspect to this story that might excuse us for thinking that this has a lot more to do with politics than law enforcement. The NBN rollout has been a political hot potato ever since Turnbull, as opposition communications spokesman, targeted it as a massive Rudd white elephant and swore that he could deliver something just as good, way faster and way cheaper.

Once the Coalition took office, Turnbull got hold of the NBN and made sure it was front page news as he set about delivering his improved model - which he said would cost $29.5 billion instead of Labor's $44.9 billion project.

   

    As the Government has consistently chosen to give us nothing other than PR spin on this project, the media has stepped into the breach and told us some of what the Government won't.

The leaking from inside the NBN has been a steady flow, and all major media outlets have published very detailed internal documents which suggest that all is anything but good with the rollout. The detail is as boring as you'd expect, but basically what it adds up to is that Turnbull's election promise of "Fast. Affordable. Sooner." will be wrong on every count. The cost is spiralling out of control and the rollout is massively behind schedule.

Actually the easiest way for the public to tell when a government program is in trouble is from how much it isn't hearing about it. On the NBN, the only real news has come from the leaks. Not that we should think it would have been any better if the ALP was still in power; both major parties have impressive track records of totally stuffing up major infrastructure projects.

The political problem here is that the unfolding NBN non-success hits the Prime Minister right where it hurts the most: his reputation as a wildly successful, clever and tech-savvy businessman. He has positioned himself as our Innovator-in-Chief; the perfect antidote to Rudd's showboating, Gillard's supposed untrustworthiness and Abbott's anti-science weirdness. He understands the uncertain future and he is the man to lead us into it.

In this context, the constant leaking of revelations which suggest that the NBN was a massive fail under his watch is potentially devastating, given on how many other fronts Turnbull has already surrendered his natural advantages.

On top of this, what we're talking about here is not national security, defence secrets or diplomatic embarrassment. NBN is a company, not a government department. The AFP has jurisdiction because the material which has been leaked is Commonwealth property, but not of a kind which can do much damage other than embarrassing the Government itself. NBN Co is a monopoly provider; it's not under any competitive or commercial threat; it holds no trade secrets.

All of these features, along with the presence of the media at the raid, feed the narrative of suspicion that the AFP may have been co-opted in an exercise that has a lot more to do with politics than law enforcement. If not that, then it is legitimate to ask why the limited resources of the AFP have been directed towards activities that could equally be described as a crime or as whistleblowing depending on your perspective.

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