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Reply #90 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:06pm

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Are we entitled to know what's going on with the NBN? It's spending, we think, more than $50 billion of our money on infrastructure for our benefit. If it's screwing that up and wasting our money, is it not reasonable that we should be told?

As the Government has consistently chosen to give us nothing other than PR spin on this project, the media has stepped into the breach and told us some of what the Government won't. That, in a functioning democracy, is a critical media role.

By all means, leaks of information relating to national security should be investigated and prosecuted. The NBN context does not engage the bigger WikiLeaks-style debate about balancing security against freedom. There's nothing to see here except embarrassing revelations about a project that has proved to be much harder than either party promised.

The AFP's choice to raid the Opposition party's headquarters in the middle of an election campaign may have been pure coincidence. The context gives us every right to doubt that, and to question why everyone's so desperate to prevent us from finding out what exactly the story is with the NBN.

Michael Bradley is the managing partner of Sydney law firm Marque Lawyers, and he writes a weekly column for The Drum. He tweets at @marquelawyers.

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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #91 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:07pm

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

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The investigation was requested by NBN Co, not the Government.

What the hell do you think NBN co is? A private Company?

It's a Commonwealth-owned business, not a government agency.

And who are the two shareholders?

Minister for Communications and the Minister of Finance, but before you start saying that they get some sort of financial benefit like you or me being a shareholder of Telstra or Qantas, then think again. It doesn't work that way.

That's not the point. NBN Co is the Government. It reports its activities to Government and does the Governments bidding.

NBN Co is NOT the Government you doofus.
No more than it was when Labor breathed life into it under them. Ooh that's a disturbing fact isn't it. Maybe they are thinking about how they used to run it eh.
Cheesy

Wake up to yourself... Cheesy

It is owned and run by Government and does the Government's bidding. Any suggestion that Government did not communicate with the NBN over this is absurd and would fail any logical test including the pub test.

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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #92 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:12pm

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:07pm:

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 2:52pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:41pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 12:31pm:

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The investigation was requested by NBN Co, not the Government.

What the hell do you think NBN co is? A private Company?

It's a Commonwealth-owned business, not a government agency.

And who are the two shareholders?

Minister for Communications and the Minister of Finance, but before you start saying that they get some sort of financial benefit like you or me being a shareholder of Telstra or Qantas, then think again. It doesn't work that way.

That's not the point. NBN Co is the Government. It reports its activities to Government and does the Governments bidding.

NBN Co is NOT the Government you doofus.
No more than it was when Labor breathed life into it under them. Ooh that's a disturbing fact isn't it. Maybe they are thinking about how they used to run it eh.
Cheesy

Wake up to yourself... Cheesy

It is owned and run by Government and does the Government's bidding. Any suggestion that Government did not communicate with the NBN over this is absurd and would fail any logical test including the pub test.

The pub test for you is, you don't need a drink to be off your face... you believe any crap or conspiracy, that's why

you support CLIVE!!!
And you spout Labor rubbish.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38860 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #93 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:16pm Quote: The pub test for you is, you don't need a drink to be off your face... you believe any crap or conspiracy, that's why you support CLIVE!!! And you spout Labor rubbish. Is that the best you have?? No dumbarse smilies this time?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #94 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:17pm
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #95 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:18pm Wassup Assie, do you only understand pictures?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38860 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #96 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:20pm Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:18pm: Wassup Assie, do you only understand pictures? I understand your need to use them as you are generally illiterate. Now "stop wasting my time. I have already explained this."
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #97 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:35pm Andrew Colvin stated today that the AFP made a decision independent of the Government in making the raids. Did he have his fingers crossed behind his back when he made his statement?
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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #98 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:42pm

lee wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 2:53pm:

John Smith wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 10:06am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 9:01am:

skippy. wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Wow, how desperate are the Libs?
This has got to be the elections Godwin Greach moment. I hope for Turnbulls sake the AFP find something, otherwise this looks like the former Soviet Union keeping the opposition in its place.

Since when does the Liberal Party give orders to the AFP?

ever since politicians got to decide how much funding for the AFP Cheesy

So I guess if Labor wins office they will direct the AFP investigations.

they will have just as much influence as the libs do now ... libs have already proven they're not above abusing their power

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Our esteemed leader:
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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #99 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:43pm

red baron wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Andrew Colvin stated today that the AFP made a decision independent of the Government in making the raids.

Did he have his fingers crossed behind his back when he made his statement? Cheesy

That really is garbage. It is reported that there was an NBN Co representative/s present during these raids. NBN Co = Government. There is no way NBN Co would not have kept Government fully informed on a regular basis over the last several months on this investigation.

Another aspect.

Watching ABC TV footage of the raids, there are video images of the raids as they took place. Who tipped the schmedia off so they could be there, cameras rolling???

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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #100 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:45pm

Redmond Neck wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

Interestingly, this particular raid wasn't entirely just an AFP operation. It's been reported they took along with them an employee of NBN Co. That's not unusual, as the AFP is often brought in to execute search warrants on behalf of Commonwealth agencies who don't have their own guns (such as the Tax Office).

It does, however, mean that the NBN hierarchy must have been aware of
, and consulted about, the investigation and raid. Given how politicised the NBN process has been, and the very obvious significance of raiding the ALP, it is reasonable to be sceptical of any suggestion that the minister in charge of the NBN wasn't consulted before this happened.

The relevant Minister is Mitch Fifield. The previous minister, until he became Prime Minister, was Malcolm Turnbull.

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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #101 - May 20^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:43pm:

It is reported that there was an NBN Co representative/s present during these raids.

He was there to identify if the documents were relevant to the case,

So NBN now know what the documents said or from whom they were sent, so even if they are now sealed under parliamentry privilege they now know what they need to know most likely.

So goodbye Mr Whistle Blower unless you did it in a very sneaky non identifiable manner which one would imagine he would have.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #102 - May 20^th, 2016 at 4:22pm Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:20pm: Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:18pm: Wassup Assie, do you only understand pictures? I understand your need to use them as you are generally illiterate. Now "stop wasting my time. I have already explained this." YAWN... no prizes for 2nd doofus.
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Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices
Reply #103 - May 20^th, 2016 at 4:27pm

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 4:22pm:

Aussie wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:20pm:

Grendel wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:18pm:

Wassup Assie, do you only understand pictures?
Cheesy

I understand your need to use them as you are generally illiterate. Now "stop wasting my time. I have already explained this."

YAWN... no prizes for 2nd doofus.

You would know from a lifetime of experience.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: AFP Raids Labor Offices Reply #104 - May 20^th, 2016 at 4:28pm You're not really worth more TROLL.
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