freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:32pm:


You are arguing I should be irrational because its only rational to do so.

I think its you who needs to explain.

ah "cunning jews" - I don't think you've used that before. Good one, add it to the list.

One thing though, would you mind explaining to me how they can be both cunning and a mindless collective?

Sorry to ask.again, FD, but who called them scheming and treacherous Jews? Who called them a mindless collective?

You’ve started this thread to discuss such scurrilous wacism.

So who said it?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 7:30pm:


You seem to think there is nothing wrong with using racist propaganda to support the slaughter of Jews, so long as you don't use any familiar phrases.

If your position is so rational, why does it lead you to be incapable of answering three simple questions, despite the lengthy tapdancing routine?

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Even if it is true?

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 9:13pm:


How could it be FD - you just described it as "racist propaganda". Which is it?

Karnal wrote on Jun 10^th, 2016 at 11:16am:


Apparently I think that "there is nothing wrong with using racist propaganda to support the slaughter of Jews, so long as don't use any familiar phrases."

But what 'racist propaganda'?

I have argued:
1. all tribes in arabia during that time had little concept of the individual - and that every action of an individual was an action of the tribe - an arabian thing, not a jewish thing.

2. the Banu Qurayza broke a treaty they signed with Muhammad and proceeded to conspire with Muhammad's enemy behind his back. This is the basic definition of treachery. The just punishment (IMO) was execution

You know, just basic mundane historical fact. Not even FD can argue these arguments - even if he disagrees with them - are in any way racist.

So FD has to spin his nonsense and thus we get 'that awful muslim thinks jews are a "mindless collective"' and simultaneously "scheming/cunning/treacherous jews".

The racist propaganda, quite literally, came from FD and FD alone.

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I think it is a lie, but this is not my story Gandalf. Do you think it is true? Were they both treacherous and Jewish? And a mindless collective?

Now that we have (hopefully) established that I am asking about your views, can we get back to the point?

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Even if it is true?

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Is their Jewishness used as a justification for this punishment?

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So everyone was a mindless colelctive, but only the Jews got slaughtered and/or moved on? I don't see you insisting Muhammed should have slaughtered any non-Jews Gandalf.

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That is what you think of the Jews who Muhammed slaughtered, isn't it Gandalf? What about the other two large tribes of Medina Jews that stood between Muhammed and absolute power? Do they get a similar treatment?

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Of course it is possible.

Does whether it is racist affect whether it is true?