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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18960 Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #135 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 11:31am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 11:02am: What about "Dirty Abo"? (surely just an innocent abbreviation of 'Aborigine' right?) With Aboriginal culture having strong body odour is a sign of an important Aborigine, the stronger the smell the more important the aborigine is.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #136 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:01pm

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 11:31am:

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You tell me.
Is it ever possible for someone to say "treacherous jew" and not be racist?

Of course it is possible.

Does whether it is racist affect whether it is true?

Forgive my sceptisism FD, but I can't see you ever accepting a muslim saying "treacherous jew" as anything other than racism. Which is why you tried to shove it in my mouth. Its "blatant racist propaganda" after all, remember?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49581 At my desk.	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #137 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:02pm Does whether I think it is racism affect whether you think it is true? Does the truth matter Gandalf? Or only how you spin it?
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Reply #138 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:26pm

Of course the truth matters FD - lets start with the distinction between the "blatant racist propaganda" I actually used, and what you pretended I used. Then we can look at the truth of your latest claim that "treacherous jew" can indeed be a non-racist statement - despite the fact that until now you (and you alone) brought the term into the discussion with the sole aim of demonstrating racism. Again, can you honestly imagine a muslim saying "treacherous jew" and not interpret it as racist? Or can it only be non-racist when a muslim doesn't say it?

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:02pm:

Does whether I think it is racism affect whether you think it is true?

Racist comments aren't necessarily factually incorrect (of course an Aboriginal could really be unclean) - but in this case your line of attack is obviously based heavily on the premise that its racist because it wasn't true. You wouldn't be banging on about the "racist propaganda" if you didn't completely dismiss the mainstream historical version of events out of hand - at least not so rabidly anyway.

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Reply #139 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:46pm

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Of course the truth matters FD

Great. Here I was thinking you were a typical Muslim who considers appearances to be more important than truth. So, were they treacherous Jews?

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Then we can look at the truth of your latest claim that "treacherous jew" can indeed be a non-racist statement - despite the fact that until now you (and you alone) brought the term into the discussion with the sole aim of demonstrating racism.

Like I keep saying, you are using racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews. That you change the phrasing slightly to sound a little less like a Nazi does not change this. It is your distinction, not mine. My criticism is of the substance of what you say, not how you spin it.

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Racist comments aren't necessarily factually incorrect (of course an Aboriginal could really be unclean) - but in this case your line of attack is obviously based heavily on the premise that its racist because it wasn't true.

And your response strategy is to refuse to say whether you think it is true.

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You wouldn't be banging on about the "racist propaganda" if you didn't completely dismiss the mainstream historical version of events out of hand - at least not so rabidly anyway.

What "mainstream historical version"? That is isn't true because a Jew made it up? Or that it is true and these Jews were some kind of borg-like collective?

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Reply #140 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

It is is self evident, even in this Forum, that people will arc up if they are even asked if they are a Jew. It's as though those who are regard it as shameful, and/or must be either ignored, denied or kept hidden in a closet of diversion. On an occasion, even the question was removed.

So, there is sensitivity or a senstitive reaction if the word is used or that question asked. For all intents and purposes, here, Jews are a race.

So even using the word can be construed as racially abusive.

Add treacherous, even as an accurate descriptor to some people of Jewish faith.......it is logical that using the term 'treacherous Jews' can be considered a racist slur. You know that full well FD, and that is why you are pushing the point so insistently.

It is also why Gandalf will not buy into it.

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Reply #141 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:04pm

Gandalf does actually think they were treacherous Jews Aussie, and that they deserved to die, en masse, for their treachery. The only thing he is "not buying into" is the use of this particular phrasing, because it has "racist connotations." Apparently insisting all 800 of them were treacherous and deserved to die does not have any racist connotations. It's all in the phrasing you see.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #142 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:12pm freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:46pm: Like I keep saying, you are using racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews. not a circular argument at all
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Reply #143 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:30pm

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The only thing he is "not buying into" is the use of this particular phrasing, because it has "racist connotations."

I would not buy into it for that reason either, neither would you, so we all agree.

So, what is your problem? That 800 people were slaughtered centuries ago by those they were treacherous to?

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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #144 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:43pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Add treacherous, even as an accurate descriptor to some people of Jewish.......it is logical that using the term 'treacherous Jews' can be considered a racist slur. You know that full well FD, and that is why you are pushing the point so insistently.

It is also why Gandalf will not buy into it.

The issue is over a single small tribe who broke a treaty, conspired with the enemy, and were executed for it - 1400 years ago. Thats it. Even the fact they were jewish is irrelevant and not something I have ever felt worthy to mention (despite FD's lies to the contrary). Literally everything "racist" about this story was invented by FD.

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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #145 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

Add treacherous, even as an accurate descriptor to some people of Jewish.......it is logical that using the term 'treacherous Jews' can be considered a racist slur. You know that full well FD, and that is why you are pushing the point so insistently.

It is also why Gandalf will not buy into it.

The issue is over a single small tribe who broke a treaty, conspired with the enemy, and were executed for it - 1400 years ago. Thats it. Even the fact they were jewish is irrelevant and not something I have ever felt worthy to mention (despite FD's lies to the contrary). Literally everything "racist" about this story was invented by FD.

The only question I have is ~ why did the event even rate a mention here? In what context did that occur?

(I have to say in my defence ~ these discussions between your self and FD make it very difficult for anyone, who was not reading every post each of you have made in the Islam and Extremist Boards, to make anything other than a peanut gallery contribution.)

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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #146 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 12:46pm:

Like I keep saying, you are using racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews.

not a circular argument at all

You think they were treacherous Jews.

Is this circular Gandalf?

Is it true?

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The only question I have is ~ why did the event even rate a mention here? In what context did that occur?

Because Gandalf, who constantly complains about racism, kept trotting out his mindless collective of treacherous Jews argument to justify the slaughter.

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Reply #147 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 3:00pm

This incident is the "go to" incident by Islam critics to prove what a monster Muhammad was. It is brought up by FD about every 2 weeks - for as long as I've been here which is nearly 4 years. I'm pretty sure he trolled other muslims before me incessantly.

Aussie wrote on Jun 12^th, 2016 at 2:49pm:

these discussions between your self and FD make it very difficult for anyone, who was not reading every post each of you have made in the Islam and Extremist Boards, to make anything other than a peanut gallery contribution

I'm very aware of that, but thats how FD roles. The funniest part is I think he might actually believe that other people besides me and him actually give these exchanges a moments notice.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38880 Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #148 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 3:03pm Quote: This incident is the "go to" incident by Islam critics to prove what a monster Muhammad was. It is brought up by FD about every 2 weeks - for as long as I've been here which is nearly 4 years. I'm pretty sure he trolled other muslims before me incessantly. That right, freediver?
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Reply #149 - Jun 12^th, 2016 at 3:06pm

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I'm very aware of that, but thats how FD roles. The funniest part is I think he might actually believe that other people besides me and him actually give these exchanges a moments notice.

Nah.....I'll bet all this appears on his Islam bash Wiki. I'll bet he even quotes you. I've not looked at it for a few years, but I won't be surprised if even I get a mention as the voice of the apathetic spurious buffoon.

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