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Reply #240 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 11:09am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

Do you reckon there's a bit of "mindless collectivism" going on when jews and christians accept the word of God that it was right and just to slaughter every man, woman and child in several cities when the jews conquered the Canaanites?

Come on Gandalf.....such cold blooded barbary is beyond God and his followers (mindless collective?) He is the God of Love don't you know! Do you think there was any beheading going on as well?

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Reply #241 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Yes I would. I think they had a duty of care to humanity and fellow Jews stop Muhammed and it was unfortunate they failed. And Muhammed's beligerant and antogonistic racism

So the treaty was broken?

Do you reckon they were "traitors" like the Hitler bomb plotters were "traitors"?

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Those were the stakes, and I believe it can be argued that killing all men of fighting age who otherwise represented an unacceptable 5th column and a real existential threat - can be justified, and more importantly is not racist.

Great, lets kill all the male Muslims then. But only the ones with pubes. Is that what you mean Gandalf?

If a tribe of jews conquered a tribe of muslims who betrayed an agreement with them - and someone suggested mass execution of the male population was justified, I'm not going to throw a tantrum for 4 years insisting that they are nasty wacists.

So you won't come crying when this gets turned around on you and people start slaughtering Muslims for behaving like a mindless collective of fifth column terrorists?

Probably not for something that happened 1400 years ago.

Which I guess explains your desperate attempt at reductio ad hitlerum

Does your logic change with time Gandalf? You never did explain at what point in our history humans gained the ability to think for themselves.

When the Muslims slaughtered the Jews, they used 3000 year old Jewish precedents to justify slaughtering the lot of them. Are you going to complain when non-Muslims do the same thing to Muslims?

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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #242 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 11:01am:

Do you reckon there's a bit of "mindless collectivism" going on when jews and christians accept the word of God that it was right and just to slaughter every man, woman and child in several cities when the jews conquered the Canaanites?

Of course not. They were God's chosen people.

Anyway, our resident "Christians" refuse to read those bits of their book. FD can't explain it either. They all go rather quiet at the mention of them.

One thing we know: Joos raping and killing and seizing land and slaves can't possibly be racism.

Gentiles are not a race.

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Reply #243 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:58pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 8:09pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

Yes I would. I think they had a duty of care to humanity and fellow Jews stop Muhammed and it was unfortunate they failed. And Muhammed's beligerant and antogonistic racism

So the treaty was broken?

Do you reckon they were "traitors" like the Hitler bomb plotters were "traitors"?

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 7:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2016 at 6:51pm:

Those were the stakes, and I believe it can be argued that killing all men of fighting age who otherwise represented an unacceptable 5th column and a real existential threat - can be justified, and more importantly is not racist.

Great, lets kill all the male Muslims then. But only the ones with pubes. Is that what you mean Gandalf?

If a tribe of jews conquered a tribe of muslims who betrayed an agreement with them - and someone suggested mass execution of the male population was justified, I'm not going to throw a tantrum for 4 years insisting that they are nasty wacists.

So you won't come crying when this gets turned around on you and people start slaughtering Muslims for behaving like a mindless collective of fifth column terrorists?

Probably not for something that happened 1400 years ago.

Which I guess explains your desperate attempt at reductio ad hitlerum

Does your logic change with time Gandalf? You never did explain at what point in our history humans gained the ability to think for themselves.

When the Muslims slaughtered the Jews, they used 3000 year old Jewish precedents to justify slaughtering the lot of them. Are you going to complain when non-Muslims do the same thing to Muslims?

Exactly. Why shouldn't we apply the rules of the modern world to seventh century Arabia?

As long as we don't apply them to any other period in history, we should be fine.

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Reply #244 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 4:21pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

When the Muslims slaughtered the Jews, they used 3000 year old Jewish precedents to justify slaughtering the lot of them. Are you going to complain when non-Muslims do the same thing to Muslims?

I will complain about anyone getting slaughtered today FD. But I'm terribly sorry that don't get too emotional about who was slaughtered and why 1400 years ago. Its very wacist of me I know.

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Reply #245 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 4:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

When the Muslims slaughtered the Jews, they used 3000 year old Jewish precedents to justify slaughtering the lot of them. Are you going to complain when non-Muslims do the same thing to Muslims?

I will complain about anyone getting slaughtered today FD. But I'm terribly sorry that don't get too emotional about who was slaughtered and why 1400 years ago. Its very wacist of me I know.

There you go, FD. He's finally admitted it.

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Reply #246 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 5:53pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

When the Muslims slaughtered the Jews, they used 3000 year old Jewish precedents to justify slaughtering the lot of them. Are you going to complain when non-Muslims do the same thing to Muslims?

I will complain about anyone getting slaughtered today FD. But I'm terribly sorry that don't get too emotional about who was slaughtered and why 1400 years ago. Its very wacist of me I know.

Yes Gandalf, you are being very sensible about this Jew slaughtering thing. It was, after all, a matter of convenience, no?

Is there some point in our history when your attitude changes and you think it became wrong to punish the collective? Was Muhammed the first one to think for himself, being inspired by Allah to reject his family's ways of making a profit from religion and instead making an empire from it?

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Reply #247 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:08pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

When the Muslims slaughtered the Jews, they used 3000 year old Jewish precedents to justify slaughtering the lot of them. Are you going to complain when non-Muslims do the same thing to Muslims?

I will complain about anyone getting slaughtered today FD. But I'm terribly sorry that don't get too emotional about who was slaughtered and why 1400 years ago. Its very wacist of me I know.

Yes Gandalf, you are being very sensible about this Jew slaughtering thing. It was, after all, a matter of convenience, no?

Is there some point in our history when your attitude changes and you think it became wrong to punish the collective? Was Muhammed the first one to think for himself, being inspired by Allah to reject his family's ways of making a profit from religion and instead making an empire from it?

Didn't God get all hairy chested about punishing some mob cowering inside the Walls of Jericho, and did he get not really pissed off if his coffers weren't 100% the beneficiaries of a slaughter?

Maybe I am confused. He did encourage more than one slaughter, so I may have got that wrong.

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Reply #249 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:23pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Aussie do you agree with Gandalf that those Jews deserved to be slaughtered?

If I were in charge at the time, I would not have ordered an attack on that treacherous mob, but that's just softie me. I have no blood lust.

But, as I was not in charge, and so I am drawn to say (because I don't mind answering a question....you ought try it some time, freediver....burst that cherry ~ it is liberating) given the military agenda and politics at the time, I can thoroughly understand ordering the attack.

(Did I do good, FD?)

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Reply #250 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:38pm

It was not an attack Aussie. They did not die in battle. They had been taken prisoner after surrendering unconditionally. Muhammed methodically hacked their heads off, one by one, then buried them in a mass grave under the marketplace where he used to preach anti-Jewish propaganda.

Can you "thoroughly understand" that?

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Reply #251 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:44pm

freediver wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

It was not an attack Aussie. They did not die in battle. They had been taken prisoner after surrendering unconditionally. Muhammed methodically hacked their heads off, one by one, then buried them in a mass grave under the marketplace where he used to preach anti-Jewish propaganda.

Can you "thoroughly understand" that?

Link?

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Reply #254 - Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:50pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 17^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

And further, even today FD.....those who are traitors, or are otherwise arseholes, get slaughtered in very cold blood. Did you support the cold blooded slaughter of those found guilty at Nuremburg?

Sure. But I would probably stop short of beheading 800 of their closest male relatives out of convenience.

How about you?

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