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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #330 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:47pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Gandalf also likes to deny the genocide even happened.


What evidence do you have that it did?


A single second hand account written over a century after the alleged event, by a writer who was regarded as a "liar" and "imposter" by one contemporary, and a weaver of "odd tales" by another.

But, you know, rock solid innit.
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Reply #331 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:52pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Gandalf also likes to deny the genocide even happened.


What evidence do you have that it did?


A single second hand account written over a century after the alleged event, by a writer who was regarded as a "liar" and "imposter" by one contemporary, and a weaver of "odd tales" by another.

But, you know, rock solid innit.


Yes, but why is FD so fixated with this alleged event?  I can't work it out.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #332 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:10pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Gandalf also likes to deny the genocide even happened.


What evidence do you have that it did?


A single second hand account written over a century after the alleged event, by a writer who was regarded as a "liar" and "imposter" by one contemporary, and a weaver of "odd tales" by another.

But, you know, rock solid innit.


Yes, but why is FD so fixated with this alleged event?  I can't work it out.


Because its the silver bullet that makes muslims inseperable with Nazis. You know, not only a juicy meme about dehumanising jews and justifying their slaughter, but you also have the 'holocaust denial' element too. Its just another crass reductio ad Hitlerum wank - for Islam.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #333 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Gandalf also likes to deny the genocide even happened.


What evidence do you have that it did?


A single second hand account written over a century after the alleged event, by a writer who was regarded as a "liar" and "imposter" by one contemporary, and a weaver of "odd tales" by another.

But, you know, rock solid innit.


Yes, but why is FD so fixated with this alleged event?  I can't work it out.


Because its the silver bullet that makes muslims inseperable with Nazis. You know, not only a juicy meme about dehumanising jews and justifying their slaughter, but you also have the 'holocaust denial' element too. Its just another crass reductio ad Hitlerum wank - for Islam.


Is the comparison with Nazism unjustified Gandalf? Or were you hoping that mentioning reductio ad Hitlerum would be the end of it?

Do you think it dehumanises people to justify their genocide by describing them as literally being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

And does it work? Does your mindless collective meme make you feel better about Muhammad's penchant for slaughtering innocent people?
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #334 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 9:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Gandalf also likes to deny the genocide even happened.


What evidence do you have that it did?


A single second hand account written over a century after the alleged event, by a writer who was regarded as a "liar" and "imposter" by one contemporary, and a weaver of "odd tales" by another.


Are you saying FD is relying on the use of porkies in his campaign against the Muselman?

I say. Shouldn't we be asking FD before we make an assumption like that?
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #335 - Feb 19th, 2018 at 9:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:10pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:52pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 6:47pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2018 at 7:18pm:
Gandalf also likes to deny the genocide even happened.


What evidence do you have that it did?


A single second hand account written over a century after the alleged event, by a writer who was regarded as a "liar" and "imposter" by one contemporary, and a weaver of "odd tales" by another.

But, you know, rock solid innit.


Yes, but why is FD so fixated with this alleged event?  I can't work it out.


Because its the silver bullet that makes muslims inseperable with Nazis. You know, not only a juicy meme about dehumanising jews and justifying their slaughter, but you also have the 'holocaust denial' element too. Its just another crass reductio ad Hitlerum wank - for Islam.


Is the comparison with Nazism unjustified Gandalf? Or were you hoping that mentioning reductio ad Hitlerum would be the end of it?

Do you think it dehumanises people to justify their genocide by describing them as literally being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

And does it work? Does your mindless collective meme make you feel better about Muhammad's penchant for slaughtering innocent people?


That's the question, G. Does supporting FD's mindless collective meme make one feel better about dehumanising the Muselman/Jew-killer?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #336 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:12am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Is the comparison with Nazism unjustified Gandalf?


Yes FD - I do see a slight difference between a rather uncontroversial decision to execute a group of soldiers who had violated a peace treaty by conspiring with the enemy - and a vile racist ideology that advocates and/or apologises for a race-based extermination program. But I do appreciate the efforts you go to to twist words and blatantly make stuff up to connect the two.

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2018 at 7:23pm:
Do you think it dehumanises people to justify their genocide by describing them as literally being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?


That would indeed be a dehumanising thing to say. Which is why you invented it and shoved those words in my mouth. Though I'm not sure why you went to such lengths and engaged in so much dishonesty to make me out as a racist - other than to reduce your argument into a crass reductio ad Hitlerum wank.
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Reply #337 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:22pm
 
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Yes FD - I do see a slight difference between a rather uncontroversial decision


There is more debate here about Muhammad's genocide than Hitler's genocide. Does that give any indication of controversy? Do you think having so many Muslims offering countless excuses for Muhammad's genocide makes it less controversial?

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to execute a group of soldiers who had violated a peace treaty


I can find no evidence of the existence of such a treaty. Is this anything more than fabricating excuses for genocide?

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But I do appreciate the efforts you go to to twist words and blatantly make stuff up to connect the two.


Which words in particular do you think I have twisted?

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That would indeed be a dehumanising thing to say. Which is why you invented it and shoved those words in my mouth.


Which words?

I think you gobbled them up and asked for more.
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Reply #338 - Feb 23rd, 2018 at 11:20pm
 
He thinks that, G. That means it's not a lie, you see.

Intent. Cunning.
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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #339 - Feb 26th, 2018 at 1:36pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:22pm:
There is more debate here about Muhammad's genocide than Hitler's genocide.


Debating Hitler's genocide can land you in gaol in many western countries. That and the fact that very few people, and certainly no powerful vested interests, disagree that Hitler was awful. On the other hand, I acknowledge there are quite a few - and very (disproportionately) vocal mob of Islamaphobes whose agenda is to make Muhammad out to be the anti-christ.

Its a bit like how there is the illusion of a 'controversy' over the science of global warming - because there is a disproportionately vocal minority who have a vested agenda to make out that the science is not settled.

freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2018 at 8:22pm:
I can find no evidence of the existence of such a treaty. Is this anything more than fabricating excuses for genocide?


Grin Its as if a good 6 months worth of inane debate just goes straight over FD's head. You got owned the previous time you tried this, lets not repeat the humiliation. Like exposing your blatant lie that "historians" (plural) claimed there was no treaty, when you were really referring to a single claim made by a single historian (Bernard Lewis) that you picked up in wikipedia. What is it with you and making stuff up about what multiple people say?
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Reply #340 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 9:13pm
 
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On the other hand, I acknowledge there are quite a few - and very (disproportionately) vocal mob of Islamaphobes whose agenda is to make Muhammad out to be the anti-christ.


Do you think it is fair to say that Muhammad and Jesus were on opposite ends of the spectrum when it came to using violence to spread religion?

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Its as if a good 6 months worth of inane debate just goes straight over FD's head. You got owned the previous time you tried this, lets not repeat the humiliation. Like exposing your blatant lie that "historians" (plural) claimed there was no treaty, when you were really referring to a single claim made by a single historian (Bernard Lewis) that you picked up in wikipedia. What is it with you and making stuff up about what multiple people say?


So you won't mind quoting the alleged treaty then?
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Reply #341 - Feb 27th, 2018 at 11:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 27th, 2018 at 9:13pm:
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On the other hand, I acknowledge there are quite a few - and very (disproportionately) vocal mob of Islamaphobes whose agenda is to make Muhammad out to be the anti-christ.


Do you think it is fair to say that Muhammad and Jesus were on opposite ends of the spectrum when it came to using violence to spread religion?

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Its as if a good 6 months worth of inane debate just goes straight over FD's head. You got owned the previous time you tried this, lets not repeat the humiliation. Like exposing your blatant lie that "historians" (plural) claimed there was no treaty, when you were really referring to a single claim made by a single historian (Bernard Lewis) that you picked up in wikipedia. What is it with you and making stuff up about what multiple people say?


So you won't mind quoting the alleged treaty then?


And don't forget the transcripts of the trial of the 200 Jews Moh killed in a day, G.

Sorry - Moh's genocide of 800 treacherous Jews with a hive mind collective punishment meme, no individuality whatsoever, so unfair, off with their heads.

You said it.
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Reply #342 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:57am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2018 at 11:25pm:
And don't forget the transcripts of the trial of the 200 Jews Moh killed in a day, G.


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There you go. Couldn't have put it better myself. FD has no problem whatsoever taking as gospel truth the account of a single secondary source who was regarded by his peers as unreliable at best. Yet mention a treaty that is widely accepted by historians - he's all "oooh, no evidence!"

Also, FD are you saying it was ok for the Qurayza to conspire in secret to launch a surprise attack against your own city - on the basis that there was no treaty saying they wouldn't?
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Reply #343 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:28am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2018 at 11:25pm:
And don't forget the transcripts of the trial of the 200 Jews Moh killed in a day, G.


Grin

There you go. Couldn't have put it better myself. FD has no problem whatsoever taking as gospel truth the account of a single secondary source who was regarded by his peers as unreliable at best. Yet mention a treaty that is widely accepted by historians - he's all "oooh, no evidence!"


But of course. Everybody knows your Muslim is unreliable. Google: taqiyya.

Did you know? He's also cunning and evasive. He never answers questions.

FD's onto him. He's cornered him in the Wiki. Because the Muselman won't answer, FD has to explain the answer for us. 

Don't forget, the Muselman is the biggest threat to white people everywhere - before the tinted races.
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Reply #344 - Feb 28th, 2018 at 12:20pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 11:28am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 28th, 2018 at 9:57am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2018 at 11:25pm:
And don't forget the transcripts of the trial of the 200 Jews Moh killed in a day, G.


Grin

There you go. Couldn't have put it better myself. FD has no problem whatsoever taking as gospel truth the account of a single secondary source who was regarded by his peers as unreliable at best. Yet mention a treaty that is widely accepted by historians - he's all "oooh, no evidence!"


But of course. Everybody knows your Muslim is unreliable. Google: taqiyya.

Did you know? He's also cunning and evasive. He never answers questions.

FD's onto him. He's cornered him in the Wiki. Because the Muselman won't answer, FD has to explain the answer for us. 

Don't forget, the Muselman is the biggest threat to white people everywhere - before the tinted races.


You should watch videos of Muslims being questioned about the establishment of a Sharia state. Their answers are always confusing: "Oh, I would have to hear what the scholars say..." or "I would support death for adultery but the burden of proof is so high that it would happen...."

They never unequivocally denounce the sharia state or the laws prescribed in a sharia state.
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