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Reply #60 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 10:58pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 4:54pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 8:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 4:30pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 4:27pm:

You're just proving FD's point Brian.

In what way? I believe all societies have, at their heart, an unwillingness to accept words of wisdom, G.

What words of wisdom Brian? You seem to think Jesus' teachings of non-violence and turning the other cheek is somehow a valid comparison to the alleged 'rape and pillage' doctrine of Islam. How does that work exactly? FD's not arguing that muslims are unwilling to accept the 'words of wisdom' from their doctrine (ie rape and pillage), he's saying the exact opposite. So exactly is your point?

Where? I've never seen him say anything other than pose questions.

Well yes, but sometimes a question is just a question.

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Reply #61 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:36am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

FD at any time in the past 3 years of flogging this dead horse, did you ever actually grasp the concept that I never once argued in support of slaughtering jews, but rather slaughtering a tribe who broke a treaty and conspired with an enemy who was trying to commit genocide?

Who just happened to be Jews?

Who was it that actually committed genocide Gandalf?

Where is the evidence that they were trying to commit genocide?

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Reply #62 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 4:33pm

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:36am:

Where is the evidence that they were trying to commit genocide?

oooh I know this game.

we'll argue for 10 pages about whether or not they were traitors, you'll conclude that they were not, and therefore it was all about their joooowishness, and therefore I'm a filthy lying racist nazi.

You like that game don't you FD?

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49586 At my desk.	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #63 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 5:16pm Or, we could start with the evidence that they were planning genocide. Were all 800 of them planning genocide? Is that why Muhammed had to slaughter them all, because it was the only way to avoid a genocide?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #64 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 6:16pm Was it 800 FD? I'm confused, as the the figure changes every time. Just for a new twist: The Banu Qurayza massacre probably never even happened
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49586 At my desk.	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #65 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:16pm It changes because Muslims themselves present varying numbers (typically 600 to 1000). I expect Muhammed lost count. Perhaps he saw them as a mindless collective rather than individuals. Quote: The Banu Qurayza massacre probably never even happened Those scheming Jews are at it again.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96958	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #66 - Jun 5^th, 2016 at 8:33pm There you go, G. It’s gone up to a thousand. If I remember rightly, FD started at 200. Are you happy to settle for 800? A simple yes or no will suffice.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #67 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:02am It matters because the lower end estimate could represent only leaders/actual conspirators were put to death while the rank and file were let off. But probably the best evidence against an "en-masse" execution is in the Quran itself "Some you killed and some you took captive" (33:26)
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #68 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:04am freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:16pm: It changes because Muslims themselves present varying numbers (typically 600 to 1000). Gosh, it couldn't possibly mean the account is a little unreliable could it?
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Reply #69 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:25am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 11:04am:

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:16pm:

It changes because Muslims themselves present varying numbers (typically 600 to 1000).

Gosh, it couldn't possibly mean the account is a little unreliable could it?

Not at all. The figure goes up to 1001 when we include that Jew Mo tortured for his gold.

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Reply #70 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:24pm

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It matters because the lower end estimate could represent only leaders/actual conspirators were put to death while the rank and file were let off.

Are you suggesting there were 600 leaders in a tribe with 800 men? Sounds like you are clutching at straws. Are you abandoning the "mindless colelctive of treacherous Jews" argument?

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"Some you killed and some you took captive" (33:26)

Almost none of the women were killed. What is this verse in reference to?

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Gosh, it couldn't possibly mean the account is a little unreliable could it?

It could mean that the Muslims saw them as a mindless collective rather than as individuals. Do you accept the argument from NeoNazis that variations in the estimate of the number of casualties of the holocaust is evidence it did not happen?

You have cited 2 (I think) individuals from this tribe who were spared for somehow disowning the treachery. I would expect the Muslims to be able to count to 2 fairly accurately, even if they didn't bother documenting how large the tribe was. Can you clarify if it is 2, and how exactly they disowned the treachery?

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Reply #71 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:32pm

freediver wrote on Jun 5^th, 2016 at 7:36am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 10:23pm:

FD at any time in the past 3 years of flogging this dead horse, did you ever actually grasp the concept that I never once argued in support of slaughtering jews, but rather slaughtering a tribe who broke a treaty and conspired with an enemy who was trying to commit genocide?

Who just happened to be Jews?

Who was it that actually committed genocide Gandalf?

Where is the evidence that they were trying to commit genocide?

Google
erdogan denies armenian genocide

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Turkey cannot accept Armenian genocide label, says Erdoğan | World ...
www.theguardian.com › World › Turkey
Apr 15, 2015 - Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has said Turkey will ignore any decision by the European parliament qualifying the 1915 killings of Armenians in the first world war as genocide, saying such recognition would go “in one ear and out from the other”.

A Century After Armenian Genocide, Turkey's Denial Only Deepens ...
www.nytimes.com/.../turkeys-century-of-denial-about-an-armenian-genocide.html
Apr 16, 2015 - 100 Years Later, a Genocide Haunts the Armenian Psyche ... Officials stoutly deny there was ever any plan to systematically wipe out the Armenian ... ahead of the centennial anniversary of 1915,” Mr. Erdogan said recently.

gandalf,

Who did commit the Armenian genocide ?

I'm sure that you will assert that moslems would never have committed such an atrocity.

Moslems would be too virtuous to have committed such an atrocity. Correct ?

.....which is the same argument that is being made by President Erdogan of Turkey ?

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polite_gandalf wrote on May 14^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

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"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."

Thanks Yadda - good quote.

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Reply #72 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:14pm

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

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It matters because the lower end estimate could represent only leaders/actual conspirators were put to death while the rank and file were let off.

Are you suggesting there were 600 leaders in a tribe with 800 men? Sounds like you are clutching at straws. Are you abandoning the "mindless colelctive of treacherous Jews" argument?

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"Some you killed and some you took captive" (33:26)

Almost none of the women were killed. What is this verse in reference to?

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Gosh, it couldn't possibly mean the account is a little unreliable could it?

It could mean that the Muslims saw them as a mindless collective rather than as individuals. Do you accept the argument from NeoNazis that variations in the estimate of the number of casualties of the holocaust is evidence it did not happen?

You have cited 2 (I think) individuals from this tribe who were spared for somehow disowning the treachery. I would expect the Muslims to be able to count to 2 fairly accurately, even if they didn't bother documenting how large the tribe was. Can you clarify if it is 2, and how exactly they disowned the treachery?

600 is not the lowest estimate FD.

My questioning of the historical accuracy of this incident is nothing new, I've been saying it all along if you bothered to notice. Nevertheless, the philosophical debate about the moral justification of this sort of mass execution, and more relevant here - whether such an event is necessarily anti-semitic just because jews are involved - is perhaps worth having. Its certainly revealing to see how eager you are to jump on the wacist bandwagon - even to the point of shoving words into people's mouth like "treacherous jews" - whenever da joooos are involved - but sneer and jeer at anyone who dares suggests muslims might be victims of racism. To such absurd lengths as attempting to spin the description of 100% of the male muslim population as inbred, retarded psychopaths as nothing but a bit of sexism. So I've been happy to play along.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews
Reply #73 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 1:26pm

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

Do you accept the argument from NeoNazis that variations in the estimate of the number of casualties of the holocaust is evidence it did not happen?

On its own - quite possibly. Sloppy historical research always raises questions FD, and we know now that many of the estimates that were accepted for years were inflated. This is not a good look, and exposing, for example, the old 4 million at Auschwitz myth certainly didn't hurt the neo-nazi cause did it? Fortunately though, there is a tonne of rock-solid historical evidence to put any doubts about the holocaust to rest. Which is in stark contrast to the alleged Banu Qurayza massacre - which relies on a single proven unreliable source, and is directly contradicted by other sources.

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Reply #74 - Jun 6^th, 2016 at 2:39pm

freediver wrote on Jun 6^th, 2016 at 12:24pm:

It could mean that the Muslims saw them as a mindless collective rather than as individuals.

Impossible. Muslims saw them as scheming, not mindless. If they were mindless, Mo would not have tortured them for their gold. Instead, Mo would have tricked them.

Cunning, no?

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