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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #90 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 12:21pm freediver wrote on Jun 7^th, 2016 at 8:54pm: And I never claimed you did. You did however insist they were Jews. Please quote me "insisting" such a thing.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96981	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #91 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 2:02pm freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 12:08pm: Gandalf was very careful to avoid the appearance of using racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews. So G did not use those terms? Who did?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #92 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:38pm apparently I said both 'treacherous' and 'jew' somewhere, therefore I'm guilty of using the racist slur "treacherous jew".
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96981	Re: a mindless collective of treacherous Jews Reply #93 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 4:12pm polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:38pm: apparently I said both 'treacherous' and 'jew' somewhere, therefore I'm guilty of using the racist slur "treacherous jew". Yes, but who used such a term? Trecherous , scheming Jew. Mindless collective. Who said such wacist things?
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Reply #94 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?

My argument is that your religion compels you to use racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews, that you are sufficiently aware of how bad this looks to try to put a politically correct spin on it, and that your chosen strategy for defending your position is to focus entirely on the spin while ignoring the substance. That is how you come to use terms like mindless collective, traitorous, treacherous Jews but insist that it is somehow different from calling them a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. That is how you come to concede that the collective was punished, but maintain that it was not collective punishment.

Perhaps you are just confused and think people find your views abhorrent because I have tricked them by rearranging your words, but there must be some nagging doubt about the substance of what you are saying.

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apparently I said both 'treacherous' and 'jew' somewhere, therefore I'm guilty of using the racist slur "treacherous jew".

See Gandalf? You only see the spin. It has never occurred to you that people may actually be reacting to the use of racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews, rather than a particular racist slur, has it? It's like you are a polite Nazi insisting we must not insult the Jews while we ship them off to the gas chambers.

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Reply #95 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 6:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?

In a similar vein what I say is true, and it's unfortunate that killings for apostasy, stoning gays, requiring women have four male witnesses for rape, not allowing a woman outside of her house without a male relative, etc, happen to be the hallmarks of Muslim societies, just happen to be true. Does that make me a racist, or simply someone who tells the facts as they are.

As an aside, why is it that the flood of immigration is M E to western countries? Why don't Muslims seek refuge in other Muslim countries, rather than the free, democratic west. To bore down, why did your Muslim family come to Australia, rather than one of the other Islamic paradises?

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Reply #96 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 7:54pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

My argument is that your religion compels you to use racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews

I'm a muslim who believes the massacre didn't even happen.

How do you explain that?

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

See Gandalf? You only see the spin.

Well you got that one right at least Grin

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Reply #97 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:01pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

As an aside, why is it that the flood of immigration is M E to western countries? Why don't Muslims seek refuge in other Muslim countries, rather than the free, democratic west. To bore down, why did your Muslim family come to Australia, rather than one of the other Islamic paradises?

Sorry to burst your bubble Nicole, but I'm a lilly white 4 generation anglo. Rather racist of you assuming I'm from a filthy tinted race.

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Reply #98 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:02pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

As an aside, why is it that the flood of immigration is M E to western countries? Why don't Muslims seek refuge in other Muslim countries, rather than the free, democratic west. To bore down, why did your Muslim family come to Australia, rather than one of the other Islamic paradises?

Sorry to burst your bubble Nicole, but I'm a lilly white 4 generation anglo. Rather racist of you assuming I'm from a filthy tinted race.

What have Jews ever done to you??

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Reply #100 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:15pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

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I'm a muslim who believes the massacre didn't even happen.

And still you justify it. How long have you held this view for Gandalf? is that based on that article you posted that insisted it must be a lie because a Jew said it was true?

His religion made up his mind for him regarding Jews.

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Reply #101 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:16pm

@ Gandalf.

You avoided the guts of my post, which is disengenious.

Let me remind you. You wrote:
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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?

Let me point it out. You're arguing that your post isn't racist, because it happens to be true. Jews are indeed treacherous.

My point way, you can't slice it two ways. You can't argue that making negative comments about jews being treacherous is justified, whilst arguing that the sexist, homophobic, repressive culture that hallmarks Islam, is somehow racist.

To wit I wrote:
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In a similar vein what I say is true, and it's unfortunate that killings for apostasy, stoning gays, requiring women have four male witnesses for rape, not allowing a woman outside of her house without a male relative, etc, happen to be the hallmarks of Muslim societies, just happen to be true. Does that make me a racist, or simply someone who tells the facts as they are.

Caqn you please expand why calling Jews "treacherous" is not racist, whilst pointing out the obvious problems of sexism and homophobia of Muslims is somehow not racist? Thanks in advance.

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Sorry to burst your bubble Nicole, but I'm a lilly white 4 generation anglo. Rather racist of you assuming I'm from a filthy tinted race.

I actually have a lot more sympathy for those born into the sexist, homophobic, caning, stoning Muslim cult that I do for "reverts" who were born in the free west, and have the ability to research these subjects before joining same.

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Reply #102 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:19pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:12pm:

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I'm a muslim who believes the massacre didn't even happen.

And still you justify it. How long have you held this view for Gandalf? is that based on that article you posted that insisted it must be a lie because a Jew said it was true?

I've always held it FD - check back on my previous posts.

So how do you explain it FD - you just said my religion "compels" me to believe and justify it.

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Reply #103 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:32pm

The first I recall seeing it is in this thread. Can you show me where you said it previously?

Is it based on that article you posted that insisted it must be a lie because a Jew said it was true?

I do recall you claiming that two of them got away by 'disowning' their treachery, but you would not elaborate for some reason. Why is that?

If you do not believe it, why do you feel the need to justify it by saying they were a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

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Reply #104 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 8:52pm

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 6:29pm:

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I'm curious FD, is your argument that I'm a filthy wacist who is lying about it - or that what I say is true - but its just unfortunate that jews, traitors and mass execution exist in the same story - and must therefore be dismissed as racist anyway?

My argument is that your religion compels you to use racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews, that you are sufficiently aware of how bad this looks to try to put a politically correct spin on it, and that your chosen strategy for defending your position is to focus entirely on the spin while ignoring the substance. That is how you come to use terms like mindless collective, traitorous, treacherous Jews but insist that it is somehow different from calling them a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. That is how you come to concede that the collective was punished, but maintain that it was not collective punishment.

Perhaps you are just confused and think people find your views abhorrent because I have tricked them by rearranging your words, but there must be some nagging doubt about the substance of what you are saying.

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apparently I said both 'treacherous' and 'jew' somewhere, therefore I'm guilty of using the racist slur "treacherous jew".

See Gandalf? You only see the spin. It has never occurred to you that people may actually be reacting to the use of racist propaganda to justify the slaughter of Jews, rather than a particular racist slur, has it? It's like you are a polite Nazi insisting we must not insult the Jews while we ship them off to the gas chambers.

A post worthy of Moses, FD.

But I’m still curious. Who used the terms "treacherous Jews", "traitorous Jews", and "mindless collective (of said Jews)"?

You haven’t said.

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