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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #90 - May 30^th, 2016 at 6:52pm Mr Hammer wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:48pm: Granville could do with a few gated communities sugar muffin. It might make it safer. What do you think?? John Smith lives in a gated community. I wonder why?
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Reply #91 - May 30^th, 2016 at 6:58pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:32pm:

'Non-competing' cultures is the stuff of idealism, which is why it only exists in people's heads.

You're not going to change group dynamics misty - Tajfel's minimal group paradigm proved that people can feel a meaningful sense of belonging to groups that are determined by drawing random numbers. Its in our nature to categorise ourselves into groups - and not just "cultures" - but family, political ideology and football clubs. Your argument that its impossible for cultures to live side by side should logically apply to a nation, or society composed of different families, different political groups and different football clubs. But it doesn't. And why? Because we have multiple group identities - just because the Smith's next door aren't part of my family, I still see them as "one of us" - because both our families belong to a neighbourhood community, and above that a town, state, nation. And its no different if the neighbouring family is Khan or Kumar. And thats the whole point of multiculturalism - multiple cultures living side by side can coexist peacefully - because everyone identifies as belonging to the one culture/society/nation.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #92 - May 30^th, 2016 at 7:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:32pm:

'Non-competing' cultures is the stuff of idealism, which is why it only exists in people's heads.

You're not going to change group dynamics misty - Tajfel's minimal group paradigm proved that people can feel a meaningful sense of belonging to groups that are determined by drawing random numbers. Its in our nature to categorise ourselves into groups - and not just "cultures" - but family, political ideology and football clubs. Your argument that its impossible for cultures to live side by side should logically apply to a nation, or society composed of different families, different political groups and different football clubs. But it doesn't. And why? Because we have multiple group identities - just because the Smith's next door aren't part of my family, I still see them as "one of us" - because both our families belong to a neighbourhood community, and above that a town, state, nation. And its no different if the neighbouring family is Khan or Kumar. And thats the whole point of multiculturalism - multiple cultures living side by side can coexist peacefully - because everyone identifies as belonging to the one culture/society/nation.

Brian Ross disagrees with you Gandalf. Brian wrote:

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Most of the trouble is caused, AIUI from the mixing of different tribes caused by their having been moved off their lands and lumped together. Tribes which are inimical to one another don't make good neighbours it seems.

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Reply #93 - May 30^th, 2016 at 8:08pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:58pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:32pm:

'Non-competing' cultures is the stuff of idealism, which is why it only exists in people's heads.

You're not going to change group dynamics misty - Tajfel's minimal group paradigm proved that people can feel a meaningful sense of belonging to groups that are determined by drawing random numbers. Its in our nature to categorise ourselves into groups - and not just "cultures" - but family, political ideology and football clubs. Your argument that its impossible for cultures to live side by side should logically apply to a nation, or society composed of different families, different political groups and different football clubs. But it doesn't. And why? Because we have multiple group identities - just because the Smith's next door aren't part of my family, I still see them as "one of us" - because both our families belong to a neighbourhood community, and above that a town, state, nation. And its no different if the neighbouring family is Khan or Kumar. And thats the whole point of multiculturalism - multiple cultures living side by side can coexist peacefully - because everyone identifies as belonging to the one culture/society/nation.

Unless of course they are a mindless collective of treacherous Jews. Then you would have no choice but to slaughter the men and ride off on the women, right Gandalf? Perhaps this is what Brian Ross was getting at.

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Reply #94 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:29pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:48pm:

Granville could do with a few gated communities sugar muffin. It might make it safer. What do you think??

John Smith lives in a gated community. I wonder why?

probably not for the same reason you're thinking off Cheesy

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GordyL Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4365 Hate Town Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #96 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:56pm [quote author=Mr_Hammer link=1464346063/85#85 date=1464598097]Granville could do with a few gated communities sugar muffin. It might make it safer. What do you think??[/quote] Close the M5 and Parramatta Rd :)
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Reply #97 - May 31^st, 2016 at 11:09am

John Smith wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

What's rubbish, that they don't exist in white countries or that it does exist in other countries?

that the left usually only exist in white countries

The socialist left exist in most countries. The self-hating cultural left is a unique phenomenon to the West.

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Reply #98 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:34pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:46am:

The majority of Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.

One more time for the slow learner at the back of the class .....

(How many times do we have to repeat ourselves before these naysayers wake up to themselves?)

1. YouTube videos are not evidence, Herbie.
2. I was referring to Australia, not overseas.

Now, unless you can produce evidence - statistical, not anecdotal - that the majority of AUSTRALIAN Muslims are NOT "law abiding", piss off. Roll Eyes

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Reply #99 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:35pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Immigrants are neither required or expected to assimilate.

lol, maybe not, but once the mob has had enough then expect to face the consequences of such ideas.

So, you believe the "mob" should rule society? My, how interesting! What happens when the "mob" knocks on your door? Roll Eyes

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Reply #100 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:39pm

freediver wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:31am:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

they ignore it.

Yep. And then we fork out for coppers and courts and legal aid lawyers for the bastards.

Yet we would still have those coppers and courts even if those Muslims weren't present, now wouldn't we, Nicole? Roll Eyes

Brian once argued that if we did not have Islam, those Aussie Muslims currently fighting for ISIS would be raping and pillaging their way across western Sydney for a completely different reason. Apparently it is in their genes and has nothing to do with Islam.
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My, what an interesting viewpoint you have about genetics, FD. Would you like to demonstrate how violence is "in their genes"? I'd be interested to hear your research on the topic. Care to parade it before us? Roll Eyes

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The majority of Muslims are peaceful and law abiding.

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:38pm:

there you go Brian, Herb proved with that video that most muslims aren't in fact peaceful and law abiding.

...I think Cheesy

According to Gandalf this "peaceful majority of Muslims" we keep hearing about includes terrorism supporters.

As long as they are not violent, they are members of that "peaceful majority".

I wonder how you classify people who have committed no violence as "violent". Roll Eyes

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Reply #101 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:41pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it.

Correct! Well said.

And so what you do to preserve social harmony and national identity is invite immigrants from societies which fairly much approximate your own in terms of race, religion, culture, political ideology, social values, etc etc.

No two cultures are the same, Herbie. Even you don't fit into MODERN Australian culture, with your Sino-Anglo-Celtic/Saxon viewpoint. Roll Eyes

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Reply #102 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:43pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:09am:

John Smith wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:29pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

What's rubbish, that they don't exist in white countries or that it does exist in other countries?

that the left usually only exist in white countries

The socialist left exist in most countries. The self-hating cultural left is a unique phenomenon to the West.

no, it's a phenomenon that is unique to your brain.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #103 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:43pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

Why are you so fearful of change?

Ever consider that Immigrants and their ideas infuse our culture with new views on how to do things? Today, Australian culture is stronger, not weaker, because of the influx of immigrants.

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #104 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:44pm What Herbet says is true. Countries outside of the west don't seem to have leftie traitors.
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