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Brian Ross
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Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31 st, 2016 at 3:22pm: Brian Ross wrote on May 31 st, 2016 at 2:47pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30 th, 2016 at 6:26pm: Karnal wrote on May 30 th, 2016 at 5:17pm: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30 th, 2016 at 1:46pm: polite_gandalf wrote on May 30 th, 2016 at 1:27pm: "integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.
The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society. Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long. How is it in the Turkish university sector, Mistie? Do they assimilate you or has your type taken over? Dunno. I don't work there. I can tell you though that conflict between Turks and Kurds occurs regularly in universities. I am talking about proper fights, with fists, bottles, sticks, and rocks. Although, this is mild compared to what goes on in the South-East corner. PKK kills military personnel almost everyday and the Turkish military responds by wiping out a few dozen terrorists. There's your multicultural paradise in its extreme right there. Turkey isn't a Multicultural society. Yes it is. I lived there for nearly 2 years. They have Turks, Kurds, Syrians, Iranians, Lebanese, Gypsies, Greeks, Armenians, Russians, Germans, British. Their government policy is one of integration. Anybody who lives there and is a citizen must consider themselves Turkish culturally, first and foremost. As you point out below, until recently, the Turkish government went so far as to suppress Kurdish culture and language. Hardly the ideal of a Multicultural policy, now is it?  Quote: Quote:The Government actively suppresses Kurdish culture. The Kurds are fighting that oppression. Not any more. They're free to speak their language and pursue their arts and history. It's the PKK and affiliated groups that are suppressed (and so they should). Why? 'cause they believe in a free and independent Kurdistan? As a political viewpoint, I see nothing wrong with that view. Do you? Why? Quote:The major multicultural failure is the Turkish and Kurdish issue. The other ethnicities do not make up enough numbers to cause any issues - and neither do they pursue their interests vigorously enough to piss the Turks off. But, the Kurds do push their interests and the Turks hate it.
As I've said, hardly a Multicultural society with a Government that fosters multiculturalism... Thanks for making my views for me.
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