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Reply #135 - May 31^st, 2016 at 10:26pm

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Aussie wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 9:46pm:

What is causing his tardiness?

bugger.k off none of your business. Oz.

It is my business, Nuck Hole. You keep telling me about this Coming. It amazes me this genius/hero can't even work out how to register and post here for.....how many days has it been now you have been heralding the arrival of this Messiah/Saviour of the Right Wing?

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Reply #136 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:48am

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Their government policy is one of integration. Anybody who lives there and is a citizen must consider themselves Turkish culturally, first and foremost.

Well, I'd like to see the government documentation that claims foreign nationals who become citizens are considered Turkish in the cultural sense. A piece of paper doesn't make one a Turk, nor does it make one an Australian, German, English. This is like claiming black is white simply by changing the words around.

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As you point out below, until recently, the Turkish government went so far as to suppress Kurdish culture and language. Hardly the ideal of a Multicultural policy, now is it? Roll Eyes

No. It was an attempt at monoculture. What was your point again?

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Why? 'cause they believe in a free and independent Kurdistan? As a political viewpoint, I see nothing wrong with that view. Do you? Why?

You're all over the place. One minute your arguing for multiculturalism, then next you're arguing separatism. It didn't take you long to slip up. However, this is the general pattern for lefties; they screech for multiculturalism, then the second a non-white group wants a state based on ethnicity or race you abandon your multicultural ideal (although, Turks aren't considered white, so it's always interesting to see how lefties rank the coloured groups).

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As I've said, hardly a Multicultural society with a Government that fosters multiculturalism... Thanks for making my views for me. Roll Eyes

Make sense please.

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Reply #137 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:49am

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:02pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Immigrants are neither required or expected to assimilate.

lol, maybe not, but once the mob has had enough then expect to face the consequences of such ideas.

So, you believe the "mob" should rule society? My, how interesting! What happens when the "mob" knocks on your door? Roll Eyes

The mob will vote in extreme parties, which will happen in Western Europe eventually if moderate conservative parties aren't voted in.

Perhaps. Personally, I'd prefer moderate Leftist parties were voted in. Conservative policies invariably include elements of oppression and hatred in them. Roll Eyes

Yawn. Where you see oppression and hatred, sensible people see law and order.

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Reply #138 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:54am

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

Why are you so fearful of change?

Ever consider that Immigrants and their ideas infuse our culture with new views on how to do things? Today, Australian culture is stronger, not weaker, because of the influx of immigrants.

It depends on the values, morals and traditions of those immigrants. Highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants don't mix well. It's hilarious that "progressives" like you think you have a connection with them.

I don't believe I have a connection with them at all. However, I believe Australian society is mature enough to be able to cope with their minority views. Most people I believe are moderate, centrist and have come here to seek a better life for themselves and their families. Instead of concentrating on a tiny minority of a tiny minority, why not concentrate on the overwhelming majority of the majority? Roll Eyes

They can be coped with when their numbers remain small. When their numbers reach a certain point, the problems begin. The evidence for this is everywhere. In fact, I would say ethnic conflict is the number one conflict the world over. As one simple example: Rotherham. Over 16 years more than 1,000 white children were sexually assaulted by Pakistanis. Aided by the left, no one was willing to blow the whistle because it was deemed racist.

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Reply #139 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 11:05am

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Exactly, Culture Warrior. The West's evil white male, held responsible for so much that is wrong in society by the progressive left, pales in comparison to how your "highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants" will treat women, gays, and people who don't march in lockstep to their viewpoints on, well, pretty much anything.

The left's love of Islam is one of those things that just makes no sense.

I think it has to do with what's called 'status signalling'. By holding certain views (being tolerant of all non-white ethnicities, regardless of how they act), they associate themselves with an 'intellectually and morally superior' group and not the 'bogans' and 'rednecks'.

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It's why back on Debate and Relate Brian got his arse whipped so many times, it was frankly embarrassing. He would simply disappear from debates, only to pop up two weeks later spruiking the same rubbish.

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I used to be a lefty, until I hit debate boards back about 15 years ago. I had to admit - to myself - that I was getting my arse whipped because my leftwing philosophies simply made no practical sense. I was forced to change my views.

I was a lefty many years ago as well. I changed for numerous reasons. Initially, I saw numerous contradictions in their (and my) claims. After a while, I could no longer in good conscience holds such contradictory views. As my skepticism of them grew, I also noticed that they had a very pessimistic and morbid view of the world - from their views on human nature, society, (Western) culture, history, economics.

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Reply #140 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 12:52pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Exactly, Culture Warrior. The West's evil white male, held responsible for so much that is wrong in society by the progressive left, pales in comparison to how your "highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants" will treat women, gays, and people who don't march in lockstep to their viewpoints on, well, pretty much anything.

The millions (literally) of dead as a result of the imperial activities of "the evil white male" disagree with you.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #142 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:40pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:47pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 6:26pm:

Karnal wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

How is it in the Turkish university sector, Mistie?

Do they assimilate you or has your type taken over?

Dunno. I don't work there. I can tell you though that conflict between Turks and Kurds occurs regularly in universities. I am talking about proper fights, with fists, bottles, sticks, and rocks. Although, this is mild compared to what goes on in the South-East corner. PKK kills military personnel almost everyday and the Turkish military responds by wiping out a few dozen terrorists. There's your multicultural paradise in its extreme right there.

Turkey isn't a Multicultural society.

Yes it is. I lived there for nearly 2 years. They have Turks, Kurds, Syrians, Iranians, Lebanese, Gypsies, Greeks, Armenians, Russians, Germans, British.

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The Government actively suppresses Kurdish culture. The Kurds are fighting that oppression. Roll Eyes

Not any more. They're free to speak their language and pursue their arts and history. It's the PKK and affiliated groups that are suppressed (and so they should).

The major multicultural failure is the Turkish and Kurdish issue. The other ethnicities do not make up enough numbers to cause any issues - and neither do they pursue their interests vigorously enough to piss the Turks off. But, the Kurds do push their interests and the Turks hate it.

How have you settled and assimilated into Turkish culture, Mistie?

Discuss.

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Reply #143 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:56pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 6:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:06pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:41pm:

No two cultures are the same, Herbie. Even you don't fit into MODERN Australian culture, with your Sino-Anglo-Celtic/Saxon viewpoint. Roll Eyes

You only need to ask, Brian, and I'll do key-hole surgery on your brain up through your nose with my finest pair of poached ivory chopsticks.

I think I'd enjoy watching you try, Herbie. I'd snap your poached ivory chopsticks before they got near my face. Grin

And then just with a single poached ivory chopstick I can cure you of all your Leftwing anti-social tendencies ...

Who said I have anti-social "tendancies", Herbie?

I get on quite well with most people, even you. Roll Eyes

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Reply #144 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:01pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

Why are you so fearful of change?

Ever consider that Immigrants and their ideas infuse our culture with new views on how to do things? Today, Australian culture is stronger, not weaker, because of the influx of immigrants.

It depends on the values, morals and traditions of those immigrants. Highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants don't mix well. It's hilarious that "progressives" like you think you have a connection with them.

Exactly, Culture Warrior. The West's evil white male, held responsible for so much that is wrong in society by the progressive left, pales in comparison to how your "highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants" will treat women, gays, and people who don't march in lockstep to their viewpoints on, well, pretty much anything.

Yet we have managed to absorb and integrate previous immigrants with those tendancies and taught their children (for the most part) the error of their parents' viewpoints, Nicole. I find it interesting that you appear to either never understood or experienced the previous waves of conservative immigrants. I also find it interesting that you feel that Muslims are somehow different in some way generally. It's as if they are your new group de jour la hatred... What happened to the Asians, the Italians, the Jugoslavs, the Greeks, the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh, and so on and so on? Forgotten them in your rush to hate a new group? Roll Eyes

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Now Brian, The Fourth Estate is on his way. I know, it's...

TORTURE!

Boring. Same old, same old. You never learn it seems, Nicole. Roll Eyes

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Reply #145 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:06pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:48am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:00pm:

Their government policy is one of integration. Anybody who lives there and is a citizen must consider themselves Turkish culturally, first and foremost.

Well, I'd like to see the government documentation that claims foreign nationals who become citizens are considered Turkish in the cultural sense. A piece of paper doesn't make one a Turk, nor does it make one an Australian, German, English. This is like claiming black is white simply by changing the words around.

I suggest you ask the Armenians that question or the Kurds, Culture Warrior. You might find their answers rather enlightening... Roll Eyes

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As you point out below, until recently, the Turkish government went so far as to suppress Kurdish culture and language. Hardly the ideal of a Multicultural policy, now is it? Roll Eyes

No. It was an attempt at monoculture. What was your point again? [/quote]

It was an attempt to impose a monoculture upon a nation composed of multiple cultures, through forced integration... Roll Eyes

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Why? 'cause they believe in a free and independent Kurdistan? As a political viewpoint, I see nothing wrong with that view. Do you? Why?

You're all over the place. One minute your arguing for multiculturalism, then next you're arguing separatism. It didn't take you long to slip up. However, this is the general pattern for lefties; they screech for multiculturalism, then the second a non-white group wants a state based on ethnicity or race you abandon your multicultural ideal (although, Turks aren't considered white, so it's always interesting to see how lefties rank the coloured groups).

I would prefer that people would get along and respect each other's culture but where that isn't possible because the dominant group refuses to acknowledge the differences in the minorities' cultures then I believe separation is perhaps the only solution - assuming that it can all be peacefully achieved - which as we both know wasn't possible under the Turks... Roll Eyes

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As I've said, hardly a Multicultural society with a Government that fosters multiculturalism... Thanks for making my views for me. Roll Eyes

Make sense please.

I have. You appear unable to comprehend it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #146 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:07pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:02pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Immigrants are neither required or expected to assimilate.

lol, maybe not, but once the mob has had enough then expect to face the consequences of such ideas.

So, you believe the "mob" should rule society? My, how interesting! What happens when the "mob" knocks on your door? Roll Eyes

The mob will vote in extreme parties, which will happen in Western Europe eventually if moderate conservative parties aren't voted in.

Perhaps. Personally, I'd prefer moderate Leftist parties were voted in. Conservative policies invariably include elements of oppression and hatred in them. Roll Eyes

Yawn. Where you see oppression and hatred, sensible people see law and order.

Oh, and I can tell the difference between "law and order" and oppression and hatred, Culture Warrior. You appear however unable to. Tell me, does passing an unjust law make the law just? Roll Eyes

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Reply #147 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:12pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:54am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

Why are you so fearful of change?

Ever consider that Immigrants and their ideas infuse our culture with new views on how to do things? Today, Australian culture is stronger, not weaker, because of the influx of immigrants.

It depends on the values, morals and traditions of those immigrants. Highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants don't mix well. It's hilarious that "progressives" like you think you have a connection with them.

I don't believe I have a connection with them at all. However, I believe Australian society is mature enough to be able to cope with their minority views. Most people I believe are moderate, centrist and have come here to seek a better life for themselves and their families. Instead of concentrating on a tiny minority of a tiny minority, why not concentrate on the overwhelming majority of the majority? Roll Eyes

They can be coped with when their numbers remain small. When their numbers reach a certain point, the problems begin. The evidence for this is everywhere. In fact, I would say ethnic conflict is the number one conflict the world over. As one simple example: Rotherham. Over 16 years more than 1,000 white children were sexually assaulted by Pakistanis. Aided by the left, no one was willing to blow the whistle because it was deemed racist.

What percentage of the Australian population do you believe is Muslim, Culture Warrior?

I'm interested to see how connected your misapprehensions are to reality.

I'd also like to see how you reconcile oppressing and ridiculing the will of a group in a democracy. Roll Eyes

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Reply #148 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:16pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 11:05am:

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I think it has to do with what's called 'status signalling'. By holding certain views (being tolerant of all non-white ethnicities, regardless of how they act), they associate themselves with an 'intellectually and morally superior' group and not the 'bogans' and 'rednecks'.

Bogans and Rednecks hold opinions as equally valid as any other citizen's, Culture Warrior. What they do not hold is a moral high ground because of their numbers. If our society claims it believes in the "fair go" don't you think we should apply that to all citizens, not just the majority members?

Here's a question for you, Culture Warrior. Is Australia a modern, liberal democratic nation where the will of the majority is not allowed to ride roughshod over the rights of the minority?

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Reply #149 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 6:00pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:01pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 7:11pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:43pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

Why are you so fearful of change?

Ever consider that Immigrants and their ideas infuse our culture with new views on how to do things? Today, Australian culture is stronger, not weaker, because of the influx of immigrants.

It depends on the values, morals and traditions of those immigrants. Highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants don't mix well. It's hilarious that "progressives" like you think you have a connection with them.

Exactly, Culture Warrior. The West's evil white male, held responsible for so much that is wrong in society by the progressive left, pales in comparison to how your "highly religious, conservative, nationalist immigrants" will treat women, gays, and people who don't march in lockstep to their viewpoints on, well, pretty much anything.

Yet we have managed to absorb and integrate previous immigrants with those tendancies and taught their children (for the most part) the error of their parents' viewpoints, Nicole. I find it interesting that you appear to either never understood or experienced the previous waves of conservative immigrants. I also find it interesting that you feel that Muslims are somehow different in some way generally. It's as if they are your new group de jour la hatred... What happened to the Asians, the Italians, the Jugoslavs, the Greeks, the Irish, the Scots, the Welsh, and so on and so on? Forgotten them in your rush to hate a new group? Roll Eyes

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Now Brian, The Fourth Estate is on his way. I know, it's...

TORTURE!

Boring. Same old, same old. You never learn it seems, Nicole. Roll Eyes

You are equating a religion with a race Brian. Asia is where a person comes from. Islam is what a person believes. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference?

The problems with Islam are not merely 'du jour' Islam has been undermining the societies it dominates for 1400 years.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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