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Reply #150 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 8:13pm

Western politicians simply didn't acquaint themselves with the tenets of Islam before opening the gates to them.

It was a case of criminal neglect.

I've asked Gandalf a dozen times in what way his version of Islam differs from Christianity - and I've never received an answer.

Women who convert to Islam ... again, what aspects of their version of Islam is it that is an improvement on Christianity? Never an answer.

'Moderate' Islam is suppose to equate with passive Christianity.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 42177	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #151 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 6:00pm: You are equating a religion with a race Brian. Asia is where a person comes from. Islam is what a person believes. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference? Where am I doing that? You do realise that I am quoting an article quoting Hanson, FD?
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #152 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:15am Karnal wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:40pm: How have you settled and assimilated into Turkish culture, Mistie? Discuss. To the best of my ability, I did. The last thing on my mind was to 'stir the pot' simply for some trendy "progressivism". Not to mention that their politics is none of my business.
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Reply #154 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:21am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:06pm:

I suggest you ask the Armenians that question or the Kurds, Culture Warrior. You might find their answers rather enlightening... Roll Eyes

You're proving my point; that multicultural doesn't work when the ethnicities/races involved have opposing values.

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I would prefer that people would get along and respect each other's culture but where that isn't possible because the dominant group refuses to acknowledge the differences in the minorities' cultures then I believe separation is perhaps the only solution - assuming that it can all be peacefully achieved - which as we both know wasn't possible under the Turks... Roll Eyes

You're finally making some sense. Some groups will get along better than others. Those with similar values are more likely to integrate/assimilate than those that don't.

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I have. You appear unable to comprehend it. Roll Eyes

Seems contradictory. This is what you said:
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As I've said, hardly a Multicultural society with a Government that fosters multiculturalism... Thanks for making my views for me. Roll Eyes

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Reply #155 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:24am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:02pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Immigrants are neither required or expected to assimilate.

lol, maybe not, but once the mob has had enough then expect to face the consequences of such ideas.

So, you believe the "mob" should rule society? My, how interesting! What happens when the "mob" knocks on your door? Roll Eyes

The mob will vote in extreme parties, which will happen in Western Europe eventually if moderate conservative parties aren't voted in.

Perhaps. Personally, I'd prefer moderate Leftist parties were voted in. Conservative policies invariably include elements of oppression and hatred in them. Roll Eyes

Yawn. Where you see oppression and hatred, sensible people see law and order.

Oh, and I can tell the difference between "law and order" and oppression and hatred, Culture Warrior. You appear however unable to. Tell me, does passing an unjust law make the law just? Roll Eyes

Depends on the definition of just and unjust.

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Reply #156 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:30am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:12pm:

What percentage of the Australian population do you believe is Muslim, Culture Warrior?

Well, officially it's about 4%. But why ask? I was talking about Pakistanis in Rotherham, England.

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I'd also like to see how you reconcile oppressing and ridiculing the will of a group in a democracy. Roll Eyes

It happens all the time. Voting marginalises groups, as does all kinds of social pressures. This is just how societies work. You and your mates have no qualms with ridiculing and oppressing (Western) conservative views, so perhaps you need to engage in some introspection and sort of that contradiction you hold.

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Reply #157 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:33am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 11:05am:

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I think it has to do with what's called 'status signalling'. By holding certain views (being tolerant of all non-white ethnicities, regardless of how they act), they associate themselves with an 'intellectually and morally superior' group and not the 'bogans' and 'rednecks'.

Bogans and Rednecks hold opinions as equally valid as any other citizen's, Culture Warrior. What they do not hold is a moral high ground because of their numbers. If our society claims it believes in the "fair go" don't you think we should apply that to all citizens, not just the majority members?

Here's a question for you, Culture Warrior. Is Australia a modern, liberal democratic nation where the will of the majority is not allowed to ride roughshod over the rights of the minority?

Well, despite your ideals, it still occurs all the time. I can't see you running to protect the rights of minority groups like the KKK or Neo-Nazis.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #158 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:34am John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:18am: Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:15am: To the best of my ability, I did Did you wear a hijab? Are you still here.
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Reply #159 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 1:04pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:34am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:18am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:15am:

To the best of my ability, I did

Did you wear a hijab?

Are you still here.

It's a reasonable question, Mistie. Do you dress, eat, work, pray, fight and bugger like a Turk?

Remember, this is your argument. Unless you share a culture, you can't possibly be allowed to live with someone else. You also contend that people who leave their cultures to live and work somewhere else are traitors - this is how you describe refugees.

This question has nothing to do with "progressives". Feel free to expand on your own stated views.

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Reply #160 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:40pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:21am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:06pm:

I suggest you ask the Armenians that question or the Kurds, Culture Warrior. You might find their answers rather enlightening... Roll Eyes

You're proving my point; that multicultural doesn't work when the ethnicities/races involved have opposing values.
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Not sure where you're getting that idea from 'cause I've never made it.

I think the problem is that you are coming into the debate with preset ideas, rather than being accepting of others' cultures and respecting their choices. You seem to want us to respect your choices but aren't willing to return that respect. Roll Eyes

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[quote]I would prefer that people would get along and respect each other's culture but where that isn't possible because the dominant group refuses to acknowledge the differences in the minorities' cultures then I believe separation is perhaps the only solution - assuming that it can all be peacefully achieved - which as we both know wasn't possible under the Turks... Roll Eyes

You're finally making some sense. Some groups will get along better than others. Those with similar values are more likely to integrate/assimilate than those that don't.

Again, you appear to be ascribing preconcieved ideas to be my own viewpoint where they don't exist. Roll Eyes

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I have. You appear unable to comprehend it. Roll Eyes

Seems contradictory. This is what you said:
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As I've said, hardly a Multicultural society with a Government that fosters multiculturalism... Thanks for making my views for me. Roll Eyes

Not in the least. You appear to believe that Multiculturalism is something being forced on you. It isn't. If you don't like it, don't partake of it. Don't however try and tell us, whom do like it that there is anything wrong with it. Roll Eyes

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Reply #161 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:41pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 4:02pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:35pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 12:50pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Immigrants are neither required or expected to assimilate.

lol, maybe not, but once the mob has had enough then expect to face the consequences of such ideas.

So, you believe the "mob" should rule society? My, how interesting! What happens when the "mob" knocks on your door? Roll Eyes

The mob will vote in extreme parties, which will happen in Western Europe eventually if moderate conservative parties aren't voted in.

Perhaps. Personally, I'd prefer moderate Leftist parties were voted in. Conservative policies invariably include elements of oppression and hatred in them. Roll Eyes

Yawn. Where you see oppression and hatred, sensible people see law and order.

Oh, and I can tell the difference between "law and order" and oppression and hatred, Culture Warrior. You appear however unable to. Tell me, does passing an unjust law make the law just? Roll Eyes

Depends on the definition of just and unjust.

An excellent point, Culture Warrior. How do you define "just" and "unjust" then?

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Reply #163 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:45pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:12pm:

What percentage of the Australian population do you believe is Muslim, Culture Warrior?

Well, officially it's about 4%. But why ask? I was talking about Pakistanis in Rotherham, England.

Funny, why discuss them in an Australian forum?

I haven't seen any reference from you that you were talking about "Pakistanis in Rotherham" whereas I have made it plain I am discussing Muslims in Australia... Roll Eyes

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I'd also like to see how you reconcile oppressing and ridiculing the will of a group in a democracy. Roll Eyes

It happens all the time. Voting marginalises groups, as does all kinds of social pressures. This is just how societies work. You and your mates have no qualms with ridiculing and oppressing (Western) conservative views, so perhaps you need to engage in some introspection and sort of that contradiction you hold.

Do I? I believe "Western conservative views" are as equally valid as my own, Western, Liberal views. They are wrong though, in many of their assumptions, particularly WRT to Multiculturalism and Immigration, IMHO. I argue against them. If someone refuses to change them and insults me, I return the insults.

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Reply #164 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:46pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:33am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 11:05am:

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I think it has to do with what's called 'status signalling'. By holding certain views (being tolerant of all non-white ethnicities, regardless of how they act), they associate themselves with an 'intellectually and morally superior' group and not the 'bogans' and 'rednecks'.

Bogans and Rednecks hold opinions as equally valid as any other citizen's, Culture Warrior. What they do not hold is a moral high ground because of their numbers. If our society claims it believes in the "fair go" don't you think we should apply that to all citizens, not just the majority members?

Here's a question for you, Culture Warrior. Is Australia a modern, liberal democratic nation where the will of the majority is not allowed to ride roughshod over the rights of the minority?

Well, despite your ideals, it still occurs all the time. I can't see you running to protect the rights of minority groups like the KKK or Neo-Nazis.

Oh, I'm quite willing to protect them. I won't protect their views though. There is a difference you realise?

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