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Reply #165 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 6:52am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 10:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 6:00pm:

You are equating a religion with a race Brian. Asia is where a person comes from. Islam is what a person believes. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference?

Where am I doing that? You do realise that I am quoting an article quoting Hanson, FD? Roll Eyes

Who is this 'Nicole' person that Hanson was addressing?

Don't be tedious Brian. You did it in the quote I included in my post.

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Oh, I'm quite willing to protect them. I won't protect their views though. There is a difference you realise?

You once said you are not permitted to, or even capable of criticising other nations and religions. You may not protect their views, but your response to them is about as limp wristed as it gets.

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Reply #166 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 7:28am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:21am:

You're proving my point; that multicultural doesn't work when the ethnicities/races involved have opposing values.

... or when it's simply a matter of instinctive racial identification with your own tribe that keeps you from assimilating with the broader demographic.

Sydney is not a 'melting pot' any more than is the US or Britain. It's a fruit salad.

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Reply #167 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45am

Karnal wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:34am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:18am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:15am:

To the best of my ability, I did

Did you wear a hijab?

Are you still here.

It's a reasonable question, Mistie. Do you dress, eat, work, pray, fight and bugger like a Turk?

Remember, this is your argument. Unless you share a culture, you can't possibly be allowed to live with someone else. You also contend that people who leave their cultures to live and work somewhere else are traitors - this is how you describe refugees.

This question has nothing to do with "progressives". Feel free to expand on your own stated views.

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It isn't my argument. It's your strawman.

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Reply #168 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 11:03am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:30am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 1^st, 2016 at 2:12pm:

What percentage of the Australian population do you believe is Muslim, Culture Warrior?

Well, officially it's about 4%. But why ask? I was talking about Pakistanis in Rotherham, England.

Funny, why discuss them in an Australian forum?

I haven't seen any reference from you that you were talking about "Pakistanis in Rotherham" whereas I have made it plain I am discussing Muslims in Australia... Roll Eyes

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I'd also like to see how you reconcile oppressing and ridiculing the will of a group in a democracy. Roll Eyes

It happens all the time. Voting marginalises groups, as does all kinds of social pressures. This is just how societies work. You and your mates have no qualms with ridiculing and oppressing (Western) conservative views, so perhaps you need to engage in some introspection and sort of that contradiction you hold.

Do I? I believe "Western conservative views" are as equally valid as my own, Western, Liberal views. They are wrong though, in many of their assumptions, particularly WRT to Multiculturalism and Immigration, IMHO. I argue against them. If someone refuses to change them and insults me, I return the insults.

'Equally valid'. Then why argue against them? It's obvious you don't consider them equally valid otherwise you wouldn't be disagreeing. This is clear case of where the buzzword 'equality' distorts thinking.

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Reply #169 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:50pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:45am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:34am:

John Smith wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:18am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:15am:

To the best of my ability, I did

Did you wear a hijab?

Are you still here.

It's a reasonable question, Mistie. Do you dress, eat, work, pray, fight and bugger like a Turk?

Remember, this is your argument. Unless you share a culture, you can't possibly be allowed to live with someone else. You also contend that people who leave their cultures to live and work somewhere else are traitors - this is how you describe refugees.

This question has nothing to do with "progressives". Feel free to expand on your own stated views.

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It isn't my argument. It's your strawman.

Oh, it’s an old argument I grant you, but you distinctly argued that those leaving their countries to further their own economic interests were traitors to their own culture.

For some inextricable reason, you also find "progressives" travelling overseas evil too.

But apart from that, your argument that cultures can’t mix is current. You’re using it here. For some reason, you’ve used the fact that you’ve abandoned your own culture to live in an "incompatible " one as evidence that you know what you’re taking about.

However, all this shows is that people can mix and move, even those who hold such pious views as yourself.

Discuss.

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Reply #170 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 1:04pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:50pm:

Oh, it’s an old argument I grant you, but you distinctly argued that those leaving their countries to further their own economic interests were traitors to their own culture.

Where have I claimed to have moved for my own economic interests?

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For some inextricable reason, you also find "progressives" travelling overseas evil too.

Incorrect. I criticise "progressives" who desire mass migration from Middle Eastern and African countries while never going there to holiday. The only time they see those places is from 11 kilometres in the air.

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But apart from that, your argument that cultures can’t mix is current. You’re using it here. For some reason, you’ve used the fact that you’ve abandoned your own culture to live in an "incompatible " one as evidence that you know what you’re taking about.

However, all this shows is that people can mix and move, even those who hold such pious views as yourself.

The question is one of how well migrants can integrate and/or assimilate, and not that they can't mix. Europeans and Americans assimilate here well. Highly religious and conservative Arabs and Africans don't.

I've also never abandoned my own culture. You keep making sh*t up. Such is the case when you need to lie to prove a point.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #171 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 1:14pm Misty, do you believe our immigration program should completely exclude foreign cultures, or that they can be allowed provided they assimilate (not integrate)?
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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #172 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 1:19pm An proper immigration policy should always take into account future social harmony Gandalf. If this can't be guaranteed with a migrant group then it is irresponsible to bring them here. Islam has too many problems at this moment. It's just a fact.
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Reply #173 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 3:23pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 11:03am:

'Equally valid'. Then why argue against them? It's obvious you don't consider them equally valid otherwise you wouldn't be disagreeing. This is clear case of where the buzzword 'equality' distorts thinking.

Only in your mind Misty, only in your mind... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42179	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #174 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 3:24pm freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 6:52am: Don't be tedious... Why not take your own advice, FD?
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Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims ..
Reply #175 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 3:28pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 1:04pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:50pm:

Oh, it’s an old argument I grant you, but you distinctly argued that those leaving their countries to further their own economic interests were traitors to their own culture.

Where have I claimed to have moved for my own economic interests?

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For some inextricable reason, you also find "progressives" travelling overseas evil too.

Incorrect. I criticise "progressives" who desire mass migration from Middle Eastern and African countries while never going there to holiday. The only time they see those places is from 11 kilometres in the air.

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But apart from that, your argument that cultures can’t mix is current. You’re using it here. For some reason, you’ve used the fact that you’ve abandoned your own culture to live in an "incompatible " one as evidence that you know what you’re taking about.

However, all this shows is that people can mix and move, even those who hold such pious views as yourself.

The question is one of how well migrants can integrate and/or assimilate, and not that they can't mix. Europeans and Americans assimilate here well. Highly religious and conservative Arabs and Africans don't.

I've also never abandoned my own culture. You keep making sh*t up. Such is the case when you need to lie to prove a point.

Sorry, Mistie, are you saying you moved to Turkey to work as a volunteer?

I had no idea. I thought you were there as a career move. Good on you - most pious of you. You’re so much better than those "progressives" who merely visit Turkey on their holidays.

I’m glad you haven’t abandoned your own culture, but can I ask? How come you’re allowed to live in a different culture without assimilating?

Are you saying you haven’t learned Turkish? You don’t go to the mosque on Fridays? You haven’t grown a mustache?

Morning Mist would have something to say about that, I think. He would not be amused. He can’t stand people who move here and don’t speak English.

Still, Postmodern Trendoid would congratulate you for it. He’d say free migration will bring world peace. He’d say turning your back on your own country is progress. He’d see you as a comrade for sure.

Discuss. For extra marks, write your reply in Turkish.

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Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims ..
Reply #176 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 3:31pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 1:19pm:

An proper immigration policy should always take into account future social harmony Gandalf. If this can't be guaranteed with a migrant group then it is irresponsible to bring them.

Then we agree. What’s your take on.Westerners who move to Muslim countries, Homo?

Discuss. In English, please.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #177 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 3:52pm Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 1:04pm: I've also never abandoned my own culture. So how does that work misty? How can you get on your moral high horse and rant about migrants to Australia who also "never abandon their own culture"?
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Reply #178 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 3:56pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 1:19pm:

An proper immigration policy should always take into account future social harmony Gandalf. If this can't be guaranteed with a migrant group then it is irresponsible to bring them here. Islam has too many problems at this moment. It's just a fact.

So, then Hammer you think the Anglo-Saxon/Celtic descended European Australians were in the wrong when they migrated to Australia and didn't act responsibly towards the Indigenous inhabitants? Roll Eyes

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Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims ..
Reply #179 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 5:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 3:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 6:52am:

Don't be tedious...

Why not take your own advice, FD? Roll Eyes

Lets try again then. You are equating a religion with a race Brian. Asia is where a person comes from. Islam is what a person believes. Are you honestly suggesting there is no difference?

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