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A Gated Community that refuses Muslims ..
May 27^th, 2016 at 8:47pm

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(Note to journalist: It's a town, not a 'village').

Interestingly, nearly half the residents in this town are happy to import Muslims into their community despite the very high likelihood that such a move would soon see mischief of one sort or another tracing back to these newcomers.

People's neurotic need for self-harm through unwise decisions is something I believe is a symptom of Western societies slowly coming to an 'End of Empire' era.

Lambs going silently into the night.

The real story here is that nearly half the town wants to ruin its social cohesion, its cultural and religious harmony, and its Swiss identity through the importation of unassimilable aliens.

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Reply #1 - May 27^th, 2016 at 9:52pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

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(Note to journalist: It's a town, not a 'village').

Interestingly, nearly half the residents in this town are happy to import Muslims into their community despite the very high likelihood that such a move would soon see mischief of one sort or another tracing back to these newcomers.

People's neurotic need for self-harm through unwise decisions is something I believe is a symptom of Western societies slowly coming to an 'End of Empire' era.

Lambs going silently into the night.

The real story here is that nearly half the town wants to ruin its social cohesion, its cultural and religious harmony, and its Swiss identity through the importation of unassimilable aliens.

How do you define "assimilation", Herbie?

How do you measure "assimilation", Herbie?

When do you determine if a person is "assimilated", Herbie?

You never answer these questions. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #2 - May 27^th, 2016 at 11:24pm Sensible move by Swiss residents
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Reply #3 - May 27^th, 2016 at 11:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

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(Note to journalist: It's a town, not a 'village').

Interestingly, nearly half the residents in this town are happy to import Muslims into their community despite the very high likelihood that such a move would soon see mischief of one sort or another tracing back to these newcomers.

People's neurotic need for self-harm through unwise decisions is something I believe is a symptom of Western societies slowly coming to an 'End of Empire' era.

Lambs going silently into the night.

The real story here is that nearly half the town wants to ruin its social cohesion, its cultural and religious harmony, and its Swiss identity through the importation of unassimilable aliens.

How do you define "assimilation", Herbie?

How do you measure "assimilation", Herbie?

When do you determine if a person is "assimilated", Herbie?

You never answer these questions. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

One only has to compare the 'assimilation' rates of all those other ethnic/religious groups that have previously assimilated into our wonderful multicultural world until the recent influx of Islamic refugees.

Then we need to consider what has influenced such an influx.

Perhaps it's an escape from the the internecine squabbles between the various sects of Islam itself, or perhaps it's a desire to sponge off the welfare state created in the West to support its own people.

Whatever the reason, it has been amply, and repeatedly, demonstrated that this influx of Muslims has been detrimental to any Western society that has accepted them in any number.

These are not Greeks, they build no Trojan horse - their aim is plain to see.

Invasion, not assimilation, is their agenda.

If you want Sharia law, stay where it is the norm. Do not attempt to subvert the law of the host nation/society.

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Toughen up, Australia!

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Reply #4 - May 27^th, 2016 at 11:43pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 11:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

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(Note to journalist: It's a town, not a 'village').

Interestingly, nearly half the residents in this town are happy to import Muslims into their community despite the very high likelihood that such a move would soon see mischief of one sort or another tracing back to these newcomers.

People's neurotic need for self-harm through unwise decisions is something I believe is a symptom of Western societies slowly coming to an 'End of Empire' era.

Lambs going silently into the night.

The real story here is that nearly half the town wants to ruin its social cohesion, its cultural and religious harmony, and its Swiss identity through the importation of unassimilable aliens.

How do you define "assimilation", Herbie?

How do you measure "assimilation", Herbie?

When do you determine if a person is "assimilated", Herbie?

You never answer these questions. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

One only has to compare the 'assimilation' rates of all those other ethnic/religious groups that have previously assimilated into our wonderful multicultural world until the recent influx of Islamic refugees.

Then we need to consider what has influenced such an influx.

Perhaps it's an escape from the the internecine squabbles between the various sects of Islam itself, or perhaps it's a desire to sponge off the welfare state created in the West to support its own people.

Whatever the reason, it has been amply, and repeatedly, demonstrated that this influx of Muslims has been detrimental to any Western society that has accepted them in any number.

These are not Greeks, they build no Trojan horse - their aim is plain to see.

Invasion, not assimilation, is their agenda.

If you want Sharia law, stay where it is the norm. Do not attempt to subvert the law of the host nation/society.

You haven't answered the questions, Lionel. How unsurprising. Roll Eyes

I always find it interesting that people like you or Herbie make demands about "assimilation" but dismally fail to provide any means by which "assimilation" can be measured. Of course, the reason is obvious - you aren't interested in real "assimilation", you just want to be able to continually attack, berate and discriminate against immigrants as you see fit. Roll Eyes

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Reply #5 - May 28^th, 2016 at 9:56am

Bias_2012 wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 11:24pm:

Sensible move by Swiss residents

That's what it seems like to me, and already - just a few miles away in another town where the luvvies now have Muslims settled in amongst them, there are already 'problems'.

None so stupid as those who refused to learn from the World Wide network of news services about the experiences of others whose ignorance and naivety has brought upon themselves nothing but grief from inviting these 7th century barbarians from the Middle East to come live with them.

"‘We do not want them here it is as simple as that,’ one resident of the village told MailOnline.

‘We have worked hard all our lives and have a lovely village that we do not want it spoiled. We are not suited to take in refugees. They would not fit in here".

Precisely.

It's as simple as that.

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Reply #6 - May 28^th, 2016 at 10:06am

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

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(Note to journalist: It's a town, not a 'village').

Interestingly, nearly half the residents in this town are happy to import Muslims into their community despite the very high likelihood that such a move would soon see mischief of one sort or another tracing back to these newcomers.

People's neurotic need for self-harm through unwise decisions is something I believe is a symptom of Western societies slowly coming to an 'End of Empire' era.

Lambs going silently into the night.

The real story here is that nearly half the town wants to ruin its social cohesion, its cultural and religious harmony, and its Swiss identity through the importation of unassimilable aliens.

How do you define "assimilation", Herbie?

How do you measure "assimilation", Herbie?

When do you determine if a person is "assimilated", Herbie?

You never answer these questions. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Is it any wonder I ignore you, Brian? You are a

respected and valued contributer

who will never subscribe to commonsense for as long as you believe there are Brownie Points to be made by acting as a Folk Hero apologist and sponsor for the spread of Islam throughout the Western World.

Off you go now back to that little toilet cubicle you call Debate and Relate. If you run out of paper give Capt_Starlight a shout.

Jesus.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #7 - May 28^th, 2016 at 11:14am What a town. Very smart indeed. It's a pity poorer white people can't use money to keep criminal migrants out their communities like the rich can.
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Reply #8 - May 28^th, 2016 at 11:39am

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One of Europe’s wealthiest villages is refusing to accept any asylum seekers - and has instead voted to pay a fine of £200,000.

Fears women and children could be at risk from sex attacks as well as the disruption to their peaceful way of life has led the super-rich of Switzerland’s alpine resort of Oberwil-Lieli to vote ‘no’ in a referendum to accept just ten migrants.

The picturesque village, where 300 millionaires make up 2,200 population, they all used their financial muscle to reject a Government imposed quota.
One of Europe’s wealthiest villages Oberwil-Lieli is refusing to accept any asylum seekers The Swiss Government ordered them to accept ten migrants as part of its promise to the EU to take a total of 50,000 across the country, at least 3,000 of which fleeing Syria

Some of Oberwil-Lieli’s wealthiest residents even offered to personally foot part of the fine being imposed by the Swiss authorities for refusing to house refugees.

‘We do not want them here it is as simple as that,’ one resident of the village told MailOnline.

‘We have worked hard all our lives and have a lovely village that we do not want it spoiled. We are not suited to take in refugees. They would not fit in here.’

Surrounded by lush green pastures and with stunning views of the snow-capped Alps in the distance, the twin villages of Oberwil and Lieli would not look out of place on the front of a box of chocolates.

Alpine style chalets and modern glass fronted homes make it one of the most desirable - and expensive - places to live in Switzerland.

The roads are spotlessly clean, gardens are immaculately kept and despite its proximity to the country’s major city Zurich of 10 miles there is little traffic.

Add a zero crime rate and it is not hard to see why homes in the villages cost upwards of £1million with many others worth three times as much.

It is this idyll that villagers, a mixture of retirees and young families, voted to keep fearing an influx of migrants would change their way of life.

Fears women and children could be at risk from sex attacks as well as the disruption to their peaceful way of life has led the super-rich of Switzerland’s alpine bolthole to vote 'no' in the May 1 referendum

On May 1, in a first for anywhere in Europe, the residents voted by a narrow margin to keep asylum seekers out.

It has led to a division in the town and severely tested friendships among the residents who have been called racist by human rights groups like Amnesty International who were stunned by the vote.

Although not part of the European Union the Swiss Government has pledged to play its part in resettling families fleeing ISIS and the civil war in Syria.

They announced earlier this year they would take 3,000 Syrians with a third of those arriving over the next few months in a matter of months.
We do not want them here it is as simple as that. We have worked hard all our lives and have a lovely village that we do not want it spoiled.

The country also aims to settle up to 50,000 asylum seekers who have managed to make their way across border and into Switzerland, mostly from crossing at the border with Italy following a perilous journey.

Oberwil-Lieli’s outspoken Mayor Andreas Glarner says it was the fear of not knowing where the ten refugees had come from that led to the ‘no’ vote.

The New Year Eve sexual assaults on hundreds of women in Cologne, Germany by foreign men was also a factor in village residents saying no to housing the newcomers, according to Mr Glarner.

In an exclusive interview, the mayor denied that by refusing to accept refugees they were being racist.

He told MailOnline: ‘The rejection was a protest at the quota being imposed on us by the Government.

‘We were not to be told if the ten were from Syria or if they are economic migrants from other countries.

‘Yes, the refugees from Syria have to be helped and they are better served by being helped in the camps nearer their home.

‘Money could be sent to help them, but if we are housing them here it sends out the wrong message. Others will come and risk their lives crossing the ocean and paying people smugglers to bring them.’

Mr Glarner, who is a member of the right wing SVP party and their spokesman on immigration and asylum policy, added that residents voted to reject the Government quota, as they believed other towns would be more suitable to take them.

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Reply #9 - May 28^th, 2016 at 11:46am

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He said Oberwil-Leili is a quiet village not equipped to house ten migrants.

‘It was a narrow victory for those of us who did not want the refugees, but Oberwil-Lieli is not the place for them,’ he said.

‘What job would they do? There are a few businesses and farms here but there are no jobs to speak off.

‘They are not likely to be able to speak the language and if some of the refugees have children they will have to go into the local school where they will need special focus.’

Mr Glarner said those in favour of accepting the ten refugees had wanted them housed in an empty suite of offices.

But he said many residents rejected that idea as it was too close to a nursery school.

Since the vote the mayor, 54, said he has been bombarded with messages of support from other villages and towns across the country for taking a stand against the quota system.

He produced a car sticker that says ‘I love Oberwil-Lieli’ and has sent out over 1,000.

‘It might say I love Oberwil, but to those who have asked for the sticker it means “we don’t want refugees”,’ he said.

It is clear that the controversial decision to pay a fine and not take any refugees has split the town.

More than a dozen people spoken to by MailOnline on the streets Oberwil-Lieli refused to comment on the vote.
We have taken the right step. Europe is awash with refugees and they do not have a place here.
Oberwil-Lieli 'no' voter

The Swiss are known for their secrecy and privacy, but the mention of the referendum over refugees sent them scurrying away.

Those who agreed to talk insisted on anonymity and would not have their photograph taken.

One mother collecting her daughter from school said she had voted no to refugees after reading about the mass sexual assaults on women in Germany.

‘I am a compassionate person and I want to help others, but I did not want young men coming to our village. It is so safe and quiet here and I did not want to have to worry about my daughter’s safety,’ she said.

‘I am not being selfish as I know the people fleeing Syria have to be helped. I am more than willing to give money to help them.

‘If we had been told there were two families and children I might have voted to accept them. What is unacceptable is that we are just given ten migrants and know nothing about them.’

At the Tricolore restaurant others were more outspoken in their defiance.

‘There are many other places that they would be able to fit in,’ said a man in his fifties and a long-time resident.

‘Migrants would fare much better in a city where there might pockets on their own community. There are none here.’

Elsewhere in the town other residents who were in favour of having refugees spoke of their ‘shame’ and ‘embarrassment’.

A mother-of-two who would only give her name as Patriza said she felt embarrassed the way the village had voted.
‘It is only right that we do something to help others who are less fortunate,’ said the 32-year-old.

“It makes the village look like we all do not care what happens to others and only look after ourselves. That is not how it is.”

Retiree Alexander Baldinger said he supported fully the Mayor and his stance against any refugees being allowed to settle town.

‘We have taken the right step. Europe is awash with refugees and they do not have a place here.

“What work will they do if that can’t speak the language. The town can afford to pay the fine and I hope we continue to do so.

Another young mother, who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity, said she was afraid to go public with her views for fear of being branded a racist.

As her young daughter played by her feet, the 34-year-old said: ‘Yes, I voted to keep the refugees out. I have compassion and sympathy for them but they would not fit in here.

‘Take a look around Oberwil and you tell me how a Syrian family would fit in. If the children do not speak German how will they get on in school? There is not the resource for them.

‘They will be from a different culture and religion. Many people in this town have a lot of sympathy for what they have gone through, but I am sorry this is no the right place for them.’

Student Niclas Guendel, 27, said he felt shame that people in his village had turned their back on asylum seekers.

‘Everyone has a right to a new life and you have to be pretty selfish to deny someone that,’ he said.

‘This village could easily accommodate some families. I am sure the community would rally round them.’

In the referendum residents voted by a fine margin of 52 per cent to 48 per cent to pay the annual fine.

The £206,000 penalty, which has yet to be imposed, will come out of the annual budget for the village, which raises £5million a year from local taxes.

Mayor Glarner said residents could well afford to pay the fine each year and guarantee no migrants.

Under Swiss tax laws residents pay tax on their income and the value of their home.

With dozens of multi-million pound homes in the village has a generous tax base and able to spare money that would have been spent on the village go on a fine.
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Reply #10 - May 28^th, 2016 at 12:31pm

Housing is expensive nowadays and likely to be our largest major asset. We usually choose where we wish to live carefully based on real estate value, schools for our children, employment opportunities, crime rates and statistics, proximity to family and friends, living amongst those we feel have similar values and where we will feel most comfortable to raise and educate our children.

If any government exercises what it thinks is its right to potentially change the social structure of whole suburbs/towns/villages/communities without complaint and without consultation with the residents who have spent a lifetime working hard for what they have, then they should provide free housing to all in order to dictate their wishes.

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Reply #11 - May 28^th, 2016 at 12:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

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(Note to journalist: It's a town, not a 'village').

Interestingly, nearly half the residents in this town are happy to import Muslims into their community despite the very high likelihood that such a move would soon see mischief of one sort or another tracing back to these newcomers.

People's neurotic need for self-harm through unwise decisions is something I believe is a symptom of Western societies slowly coming to an 'End of Empire' era.

Lambs going silently into the night.

The real story here is that nearly half the town wants to ruin its social cohesion, its cultural and religious harmony, and its Swiss identity through the importation of unassimilable aliens.

How do you define "assimilation", Herbie?

How do you measure "assimilation", Herbie?

When do you determine if a person is "assimilated", Herbie?

You never answer these questions. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

Ill consider them assimilate when they come down the pub for a beer and a roast pork roll and stop trying to kill us in our own country; that would be nice too. Cool

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #12 - May 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm Immigrants are neither required or expected to assimilate.
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Reply #13 - May 28^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 28^th, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Immigrants are neither required or expected to assimilate.

Correct! - if we are referring to the liberal-progressive policies of both the major parties.

But how about their Australian-born generational offspring?

Canberra's capitulation to 'multicultural' colonialism is no doubt limitless to the umpteenth generation, but not so in the eyes of Australia's Anglo/Celtic mainstream majority.

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Reply #14 - May 28^th, 2016 at 1:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 8:47pm:

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(Note to journalist: It's a town, not a 'village').

Interestingly, nearly half the residents in this town are happy to import Muslims into their community despite the very high likelihood that such a move would soon see mischief of one sort or another tracing back to these newcomers.

People's neurotic need for self-harm through unwise decisions is something I believe is a symptom of Western societies slowly coming to an 'End of Empire' era.

Lambs going silently into the night.

The real story here is that nearly half the town wants to ruin its social cohesion, its cultural and religious harmony, and its Swiss identity through the importation of unassimilable aliens.

Fair enough too - they can't risk sex attacks & terrorist cells in their village.

Why should the have to pay a huge fine?

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