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Reply #60 - May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #61 - May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it.

Correct! Well said.

And so what you do to preserve social harmony and national identity is invite immigrants from societies which fairly much approximate your own in terms of race, religion, culture, political ideology, social values, etc etc.

You practice discrimination precisely because you want to preserve the identity of your society for your future generations to feel comfortable in.i

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Reply #62 - May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

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Reply #63 - May 30^th, 2016 at 1:53pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

When demographic critical mass is reached, the tail then starts to wag the dog.

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Colonisation is what is happening here. A naval-gazing Middle Eastern community sitting like a hostile garrison surrounded by the Infidels.

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Reply #64 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:06pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

They said all of that about the Italians and the Vietnamese when I was a kid.

Really the only change was better delis.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #65 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:21pm

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:27pm:

"integration" - as opposed to "assimilation" works fine misty.

The old assimilation model was rightly discarded because it doesn't work. It tells migrants they must completely drop their way of life and become clones of the dominant culture. Its a fantasy - you simply can't rip the culture out of someone and expect them to seamlessly fit wholly into a foreign one - even when they are attracted so much by it that they want to move to a country that has it. You either restrict your immigration program to countries of the same culture (tried that, and we ran out), or have a whole generation of migrants living a lie and feeling disillusioned. Integration says that immigrants can be productive and make a positive contribution to society while they retain their culture. In fact, it goes further and says that multiculturalism enhances society - since a population of happy people being comfortable to 'be themselves', and not someone else, makes for a healthier society.

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

They said all of that about the Italians and the Vietnamese when I was a kid.

Really the only change was better delis.

Yawn. Good luck at trying your feminist and LGQXYZGHAFASD issues in a highly conservative environment.

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Reply #66 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:22pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 1:46pm:

Integration only works if the populations of the imported cultures remain small, very small. Once they reach a certain level they will then push their ideas/practices onto others. Voting blocks form, infiltration into the public service and universities occur, and then it's game over if it isn't countered before too long.

When demographic critical mass is reached, the tail then starts to wag the dog.

link

Colonisation is what is happening here. A naval-gazing Middle Eastern community sitting like a hostile garrison surrounded by the Infidels.

Amazing. It's not even pretending to hide itself anymore.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #67 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:25pm We're not going to have a conservative environment. We are becoming more tolerant and liberal progressively . We could take a million people and it wouldn't change the fabric of our society.
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Reply #68 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:31pm

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

We're not going to have a conservative environment. We are becoming more tolerant and liberal progressively .

We could take a million people and it wouldn't change the fabric of our society.

Lol. Is this ignorance or lefty cunning? Gandalf has already, correctly, stated that you can't simply rip the culture out of someone; they bring it with them. Changing a long held belief or attitude isn't like flicking a switch. And why have you gotten cultural supremacist on us all of a sudden, are you being racist?

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Reply #69 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:34pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:31pm:

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

We're not going to have a conservative environment. We are becoming more tolerant and liberal progressively .

We could take a million people and it wouldn't change the fabric of our society.

Lol. Is this ignorance or lefty cunning? Gandalf has already, correctly, stated that you can't simply rip the culture out of someone; they bring it with them. Changing a long held belief or attitude isn't like flicking a switch. And why have you gotten cultural supremacist on us all of a sudden, are you being racist?

If you don't think culture changes easily, why are you worried about the culture of Australia changing due to immigration?

Seems to me that you have success defeated your own argument.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #70 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:41pm

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:34pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:31pm:

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

We're not going to have a conservative environment. We are becoming more tolerant and liberal progressively .

We could take a million people and it wouldn't change the fabric of our society.

Lol. Is this ignorance or lefty cunning? Gandalf has already, correctly, stated that you can't simply rip the culture out of someone; they bring it with them. Changing a long held belief or attitude isn't like flicking a switch. And why have you gotten cultural supremacist on us all of a sudden, are you being racist?

If you don't think culture changes easily, why are you worried about the culture of Australia changing due to immigration?

Seems to me that you have success defeated your own argument.

Culture changes when people of a certain demography are imported. Once a certain demography reaches a certain level - some say 10% - it then begins to profoundly push its interests.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #71 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:49pm Trying the circular argument route, Misty?
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #72 - May 30^th, 2016 at 2:59pm How is it circular?
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Mistress Nicole Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1278 Gender:	Re: A Gated Community that refuses Muslims .. Reply #73 - May 30^th, 2016 at 3:06pm mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:25pm: We're not going to have a conservative environment. We are becoming more tolerant and liberal progressively . We could take a million people and it wouldn't change the fabric of our society. How can you be so ignorant Mothra? Surely, you can't be serious?
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Reply #74 - May 30^th, 2016 at 3:33pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 3:06pm:

mothra wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 2:25pm:

We're not going to have a conservative environment. We are becoming more tolerant and liberal progressively .

We could take a million people and it wouldn't change the fabric of our society.

How can you be so ignorant Mothra? Surely, you can't be serious?

How many Italians in Wisteria Nicole?

How has it impacted us?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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