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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138916 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #135 - May 31^st, 2016 at 11:46am Dustwun wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am: Check out mom and dad What about them?
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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #136 - May 31^st, 2016 at 11:56am Dustwun wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am: Check out mom and dad Explains why the kid walked up to the gorilla. Just thought he was going to daddy.
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Reply #137 - May 31^st, 2016 at 12:01pm

From Dr Chris Brown ...

"The killing of 17 year old gorilla Harambe after a 4 year old boy fell into his enclosure at Cincinnati Zoo has left many of you asking whether such a drastic move was really necessary…

Western lowland gorillas like Harambe are classified as critically endangered in the wild and behaviourally are renowned for being relatively placid, unless provoked. So were other non-lethal measures an option?

For starters, the zoo staff were placed in an awful situation. And probably acted on an existing protocol. But what else could have been done? If a tranquiliser rifle was used, the sedating effects of the dart wouldn’t have been seen for at least 5 minutes. The impact of the dart may have also agitated Harambe further. But given that the whole incident lasted around 10 minutes, perhaps there was time with early action. On the flipside, tranquilising Harambe while he was in the water of the moat would also have put him at risk of drowning. High pressure capsicum spray (as used with bears), tear gas or even non-lethal shooting are other options now being discussed.

Clearly we wouldn’t even be discussing the tragedy if the 4 year old boy had been properly supervised. If we are going to keep gorillas like Harambe in zoos, then surely we need protocols in place to ensure intrusions like this don’t happen and don’t cost critically endangered animals like Harambe their lives."

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Reply #138 - May 31^st, 2016 at 12:12pm

Statement of PETA.

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Yet again, captivity has taken an animal's life. The gorilla enclosure should have been surrounded by a secondary barrier between the humans and the animals to prevent exactly this type of incident. Gorillas have shown that they can be protective of smaller living beings and react the same way any human would to a child in danger. Consider Binti Jua, the gorilla who carried a child to a zookeeper's gate. Even under the "best" circumstances, captivity is never acceptable for gorillas or other primates, and in cases like this, it's even deadly. This tragedy is exactly why PETA urges families to stay away from any facility that displays animals as sideshows for humans to gawk at.

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Reply #139 - May 31^st, 2016 at 12:39pm

... wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Statement of PETA.

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Yet again, captivity has taken an animal's life. The gorilla enclosure should have been surrounded by a secondary barrier between the humans and the animals to prevent exactly this type of incident. Gorillas have shown that they can be protective of smaller living beings and react the same way any human would to a child in danger. Consider Binti Jua, the gorilla who carried a child to a zookeeper's gate. Even under the "best" circumstances, captivity is never acceptable for gorillas or other primates, and in cases like this, it's even deadly. This tragedy is exactly why PETA urges families to stay away from any facility that displays animals as sideshows for humans to gawk at.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #140 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:13pm greggerypeccary wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:46am: Dustwun wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am: Check out mom and dad What about them? It's lucky he wasn't shot by mistake ... O Jesus, that's terrible. Why do I say these things? Is there any hope for me?
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Reply #142 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:16pm

mothra wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 12:39pm:

... wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 12:12pm:

Statement of PETA.

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Yet again, captivity has taken an animal's life. The gorilla enclosure should have been surrounded by a secondary barrier between the humans and the animals to prevent exactly this type of incident. Gorillas have shown that they can be protective of smaller living beings and react the same way any human would to a child in danger. Consider Binti Jua, the gorilla who carried a child to a zookeeper's gate. Even under the "best" circumstances, captivity is never acceptable for gorillas or other primates, and in cases like this, it's even deadly. This tragedy is exactly why PETA urges families to stay away from any facility that displays animals as sideshows for humans to gawk at.

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Reply #143 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:16pm

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:46am:

Dustwun wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am:

Check out mom and dad

What about them?

It's lucky he wasn't shot by mistake ... Grin

O Jesus, that's terrible. Why do I say these things? Is there any hope for me? Undecided

No. Not really.

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Reply #144 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:17pm

mothra wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:13pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:46am:

Dustwun wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 11:44am:

Check out mom and dad

What about them?

It's lucky he wasn't shot by mistake ... Grin

O Jesus, that's terrible. Why do I say these things? Is there any hope for me? Undecided

No. Not really.

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Reply #145 - May 31^st, 2016 at 2:24pm

I've just caught up with this now.

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Why is it damned near ALWAYS the case that These People have a criminal past?

Except for that idiot John Howard, is it any wonder that none of our prime ministers - going back decades - had ever opened our gates to Negro immigration?

Speaking of which, the same 'Racial Vilification' law that has Nova Peris's abuser in hot water - could also be applied to our successive federal governments going back decades for tacit racial vilification of Negroes.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #146 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 12:48pm link Criminal charges set to be laid against the zoo. "Witnesses said the child had expressed a desire to get into the enclosure and he climbed over a 1-metre barrier, falling 4.5 metres into a moat". 1-metre barrier. Are they kidding?
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tickleandrose Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4028 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #147 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 12:54pm The barrier to dreamworld's tiger enclosure is about 1 meter. ?standard practice
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138916 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #148 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:00pm Lord Herbert wrote on May 31^st, 2016 at 2:24pm: I've just caught up with this now. link What are we meant to be reading at that link, Herbie?
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29856 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #149 - Jun 1^st, 2016 at 1:04pm Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:38pm: Gnads wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 5:33pm: Addressed above I have apologised for my error. This: ....is an apology? The apology wasn't for you you take it how you wish I'm not bothered
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Question: Who are the guilty parties?
100% the Management 6 (40.0%) 100% the mother (father not there) 3 (20.0%) 50 / 50 the mum and Management 3 (20.0%) 80% fault of the Management 0 (0.0%) 80% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the Management 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 100% fault of the kid 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: Lord Herbert on: Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:09pm »