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Reply #285 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:04pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm:

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the zoo does have duty of care and if theiur care was not good enough I am sure they will pay...

With every post you make, cods, you are proving exactly my point. Toddlers can move like lightning. There one second and gone the next. Those who run Zoos, where toddlers and their animals ought not be in immediate proximity, have to take that very fact into account, and make sure that lightning toddler cannot get into danger.

Absolutely correct.

Vigilant mothers are a rare commodity and to me they're Folk Heroes as far as I'm concerned.

One of the best of these that I personally witnessed in action was the time I saw a mother pushing a pram, with a small daughter hanging onto her St Vinnie's dress - and then her small son ran across this empty road with no traffic either way - but quick as a whip she roared out in a Drill Sergeant's voice ...

"COME BACK 'ERE YOU F*CKIN" LITTLE C*NT!!"

Unless the little f'ers are chained to you they are not safe. My oldest son climbed under an 8" railing and fell 4'. He was with my wife, someone stopped her in the street, she turned and responded, number one son goes, i'm go'ng there, slides under the rail an falls 4'.

Now I believe men are better carers as I have never had an accident like that on my watch. Wink

Edit: Oh... Topic.

It didn't look like the gorilla was trying to hurt the kid. It looked like it was trying to help it. I bet all the howls and screams from above are what made it drag the kid away. At no time did it look like it was trying to hurt the kid, there was no malice. On the other hand, it one hell of a powerful creature and what it can do to a young gorilla, it cannot do do a human without potential serious harm.

I don't think it was trying to hurt the kid, quite the opposite. Choices must be made. They were.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #286 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:07pm Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm: http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201606_1540_hihbd_sm.jpg I don't know that's a fair swap but I understand her angst.
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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #287 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:12pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm:

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the zoo does have duty of care and if theiur care was not good enough I am sure they will pay...

With every post you make, cods, you are proving exactly my point. Toddlers can move like lightning. There one second and gone the next. Those who run Zoos, where toddlers and their animals ought not be in immediate proximity, have to take that very fact into account, and make sure that lightning toddler cannot get into danger.

Absolutely correct.

Vigilant mothers are a rare commodity and to me they're Folk Heroes as far as I'm concerned.

One of the best of these that I personally witnessed in action was the time I saw a mother pushing a pram, with a small daughter hanging onto her St Vinnie's dress - and then her small son ran across this empty road with no traffic either way - but quick as a whip she roared out in a Drill Sergeant's voice ...

"COME BACK 'ERE YOU F*CKIN" LITTLE C*NT!!"

Unless the little f'ers are chained to you they are not safe. My oldest son climbed under an 8" railing and fell 4'. He was with my wife, someone stopped her in the street, she turned and responded, number one son goes, i'm go'ng there, slides under the rail an falls 4'.

Now I believe men are better carers as I have never had an accident like that on my watch. Wink

Yep. That's how quick it can happen.

And I contest the "men make better carers" thing. My husband lost our daughter twice.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #288 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:16pm

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm:

Quote:

the zoo does have duty of care and if theiur care was not good enough I am sure they will pay...

With every post you make, cods, you are proving exactly my point. Toddlers can move like lightning. There one second and gone the next. Those who run Zoos, where toddlers and their animals ought not be in immediate proximity, have to take that very fact into account, and make sure that lightning toddler cannot get into danger.

Absolutely correct.

Vigilant mothers are a rare commodity and to me they're Folk Heroes as far as I'm concerned.

One of the best of these that I personally witnessed in action was the time I saw a mother pushing a pram, with a small daughter hanging onto her St Vinnie's dress - and then her small son ran across this empty road with no traffic either way - but quick as a whip she roared out in a Drill Sergeant's voice ...

"COME BACK 'ERE YOU F*CKIN" LITTLE C*NT!!"

Unless the little f'ers are chained to you they are not safe. My oldest son climbed under an 8" railing and fell 4'. He was with my wife, someone stopped her in the street, she turned and responded, number one son goes, i'm go'ng there, slides under the rail an falls 4'.

Now I believe men are better carers as I have never had an accident like that on my watch. Wink

Yep. That's how quick it can happen.

And I contest the "men make better carers" thing. My husband lost our daughter twice.

My dad never lost me, my mum did. I think you're wrong. Grin

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #289 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:16pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:04pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 8:47pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 6:48pm:

Quote:

the zoo does have duty of care and if theiur care was not good enough I am sure they will pay...

With every post you make, cods, you are proving exactly my point. Toddlers can move like lightning. There one second and gone the next. Those who run Zoos, where toddlers and their animals ought not be in immediate proximity, have to take that very fact into account, and make sure that lightning toddler cannot get into danger.

Absolutely correct.

Vigilant mothers are a rare commodity and to me they're Folk Heroes as far as I'm concerned.

One of the best of these that I personally witnessed in action was the time I saw a mother pushing a pram, with a small daughter hanging onto her St Vinnie's dress - and then her small son ran across this empty road with no traffic either way - but quick as a whip she roared out in a Drill Sergeant's voice ...

"COME BACK 'ERE YOU F*CKIN" LITTLE C*NT!!"

Unless the little f'ers are chained to you they are not safe. My oldest son climbed under an 8" railing and fell 4'. He was with my wife, someone stopped her in the street, she turned and responded, number one son goes, i'm go'ng there, slides under the rail an falls 4'.

Now I believe men are better carers as I have never had an accident like that on my watch. Wink

Yep. That's how quick it can happen.

And I contest the "men make better carers" thing. My husband lost our daughter twice.

My dad never lost me, my mum did. I think you're wrong. Grin

I'm not accepting anecdotal evidence into my case study.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #290 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:23pm mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19pm: I'm not accepting anecdotal evidence into my case study. OK, empirical, 1 nil in the wife's favour. I spent as much time with them as her, we both worked part time so someone would always be home.
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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #291 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:42pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19pm:

I'm not accepting anecdotal evidence into my case study.

OK, empirical, 1 nil in the wife's favour. I spent as much time with them as her, we both worked part time so someone would always be home.

So she was unlucky the one time. Lucky though, that all worked out on.

Going by the thinking of certain individuals on this thread, were she not so lucky she would go under the microscope and inevitably fail.

Under the microscope we all fail.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #292 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:49pm

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19pm:

I'm not accepting anecdotal evidence into my case study.

OK, empirical, 1 nil in the wife's favour. I spent as much time with them as her, we both worked part time so someone would always be home.

So she was unlucky the one time. Lucky though, that all worked out on.

Going by the thinking of certain individuals on this thread, were she not so lucky she would go under the microscope and inevitably fail.

Under the microscope we all fail.

No, the zoo failed. Even if it meant an electric fence as a last hurdle for the kid.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #293 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:52pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19pm:

I'm not accepting anecdotal evidence into my case study.

OK, empirical, 1 nil in the wife's favour. I spent as much time with them as her, we both worked part time so someone would always be home.

So she was unlucky the one time. Lucky though, that all worked out on.

Going by the thinking of certain individuals on this thread, were she not so lucky she would go under the microscope and inevitably fail.

Under the microscope we all fail.

No, the zoo failed. Even if it meant an electric fence as a last hurdle for the kid.

Agreed. What did you think I said?

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #294 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:06am

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19pm:

I'm not accepting anecdotal evidence into my case study.

OK, empirical, 1 nil in the wife's favour. I spent as much time with them as her, we both worked part time so someone would always be home.

So she was unlucky the one time. Lucky though, that all worked out on.

Going by the thinking of certain individuals on this thread, were she not so lucky she would go under the microscope and inevitably fail.

Under the microscope we all fail.

No, the zoo failed. Even if it meant an electric fence as a last hurdle for the kid.

Agreed. What did you think I said?

Mums should be chained to their kids when they go out because they are irresponsible, that does not mean the zoo is without liability.

Did I get it wrong?

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #295 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:12am

Setanta wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:06am:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:52pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:42pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19pm:

I'm not accepting anecdotal evidence into my case study.

OK, empirical, 1 nil in the wife's favour. I spent as much time with them as her, we both worked part time so someone would always be home.

So she was unlucky the one time. Lucky though, that all worked out on.

Going by the thinking of certain individuals on this thread, were she not so lucky she would go under the microscope and inevitably fail.

Under the microscope we all fail.

No, the zoo failed. Even if it meant an electric fence as a last hurdle for the kid.

Agreed. What did you think I said?

Mums should be chained to their kids when they go out because they are irresponsible, that does not mean the zoo is without liability.

Did I get it wrong?

Yes. Read back.

I think the zoo is 100% liable.

What are you reading Setanta.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #296 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:18am mothra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:12am: Yes. Read back. I think the zoo is 100% liable. What are you reading Setanta. 99% at the most. The mother is at fault too and must pay for her neglect.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #297 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:24am Setanta wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:18am: mothra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:12am: Yes. Read back. I think the zoo is 100% liable. What are you reading Setanta. 99% at the most. The mother is at fault too and must pay for her neglect. No she's not. She has every right to expect safety.
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Reply #298 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:27am

mothra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:24am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:18am:

mothra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:12am:

Yes. Read back.

I think the zoo is 100% liable.

What are you reading Setanta.

99% at the most. The mother is at fault too and must pay for her neglect.

No she's not. She has every right to expect safety.

But if she never had the child... the gorilla would still be alive. Was she a single mother?

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #299 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:33am

Setanta wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:27am:

mothra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:24am:

Setanta wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:18am:

mothra wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 12:12am:

Yes. Read back.

I think the zoo is 100% liable.

What are you reading Setanta.

99% at the most. The mother is at fault too and must pay for her neglect.

No she's not. She has every right to expect safety.

But if she never had the child... the gorilla would still be alive. Was she a single mother?

You've lost me.

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Question: Who are the guilty parties?
100% the Management 6 (40.0%) 100% the mother (father not there) 3 (20.0%) 50 / 50 the mum and Management 3 (20.0%) 80% fault of the Management 0 (0.0%) 80% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the Management 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 100% fault of the kid 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: Lord Herbert on: Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:09pm »