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Reply #330 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:34pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:29am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:19am:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:33am:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:31am:

AiA wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 8:54am:

Jane Goodall: Slain Zoo Gorilla Was ‘Putting an Arm Round the Child[/size][/b]

Just measuring it to see if it would fit in its stomach. Wink

are gorillas carnivores?

Nice one, cods.

Herbivores, as far as I know.

They might eat the odd bug here and there, but I doubt they'd eat a human child.

Anyway, why is there no footage of the rescue?

Every person in the zoo would have had a camera/phone with them, yet the only footage we've seen is the minute or so of the kid being dragged around.

They're omnivores....just like all of us (excluding Greens) Grin

The most meat thing they will eat are termites and ants.

That's what they believed of Chimpanzees as well ....

and that's been proven incorrect

they actually hunt other monkeys

kill & eat them.

That said I haven't seen that sort of footage of gorillas.

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Reply #332 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:39pm

Agnes wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:54am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

I too would want to know where were the parents...??? a 3 yr old climb into a animal compound....hardly...

it is a cruel end for the gorilla... but under the circumstances they had to make an instant decision that could have been bad either way....a tranquilizer just doesnt work instantly and could have had even worse consequences...

sadly there is no right or wrong way to deal with this type of thing..

I think there is. Zoos ought ensure this sort of event can never happen. We have to fence pools to make them allegedly kid proof.

The burden of responsibility lies with the ZOO. How is it a highly dangerous animal like a Silver back Gorilla is under such flimsy security such as a poorly constructed fence in the first place , has to be asked?- WHY wasn't security at the Zoo fail safe- why didn't the zoo protect it's patrons. We have fail safe security here in Australia,. Look no further than the Zoo for the death of this Gorilla..they neither protected their clients nor the Gorilla..this is NOT the fault of the parent/s.

I sniff a great big law suit and the lawyers will be circling the mother right this minute..

Had he or any other gorillas ever escaped from the enclosure?

I'm sure they would be far more dextrous than that little boy. Roll Eyes

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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #334 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:48pm So flimsy and poorly constructed that nothing has escaped in 38 years? What an outrage. Of course, the parent should take absolutely no responsibility. We should all blame the zoo 110%.
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Reply #335 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:52pm

Yes Gnads, monkeys do kill and eat each other and as a primate I think we could expect the same from a gorilla.. there are some so determined to make this a case of condemn the mother and or parents and let the Zoo management off scott free! I just don't get it- the Zoo is to blame here - if security was SECURE this would never have happened Tongue

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #336 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:53pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:48pm:

So flimsy and poorly constructed that nothing has escaped in 38 years?

What an outrage.

Of course, the parent should take absolutely no responsibility. We should all blame the zoo 110%.

How did the kid breach whatever barrier there was? No-one yet knows out here in the Land of Ignorance.....but there is one basic fact no-one can deny.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #337 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:54pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:48pm:

So flimsy and poorly constructed that nothing has escaped in 38 years?

What an outrage.

Of course, the parent should take absolutely no responsibility. We should all blame the zoo 110%.

TAAA DAA- right on que- ummm you should stop posting now- your med's aren't working Ms Orchid.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #338 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:58pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:39pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:54am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

I too would want to know where were the parents...??? a 3 yr old climb into a animal compound....hardly...

it is a cruel end for the gorilla... but under the circumstances they had to make an instant decision that could have been bad either way....a tranquilizer just doesnt work instantly and could have had even worse consequences...

sadly there is no right or wrong way to deal with this type of thing..

I think there is. Zoos ought ensure this sort of event can never happen. We have to fence pools to make them allegedly kid proof.

The burden of responsibility lies with the ZOO. How is it a highly dangerous animal like a Silver back Gorilla is under such flimsy security such as a poorly constructed fence in the first place , has to be asked?- WHY wasn't security at the Zoo fail safe- why didn't the zoo protect it's patrons. We have fail safe security here in Australia,. Look no further than the Zoo for the death of this Gorilla..they neither protected their clients nor the Gorilla..this is NOT the fault of the parent/s.

I sniff a great big law suit and the lawyers will be circling the mother right this minute..

Had he or any other gorillas ever escaped from the enclosure?

I'm sure they would be far more dextrous than that little boy. Roll Eyes

The kid fell 4 metres into the compound, the gorilla would have been unable to jump that high to escape. There was a 1.2 metre "fence" in front of the bushes on top of the compound which was what the kid easily went over or through because it only had a couple of strands of wire. That wouldnt pass muster as a pool or spa fence in Australia so obviously they considered a gorilla in a compound with a swimming pool and a 4 metre drop was less of a threat than a swimming pool itself. Totally the parents fault obviously.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #339 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:00pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:53pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:48pm:

So flimsy and poorly constructed that nothing has escaped in 38 years?

What an outrage.

Of course, the parent should take absolutely no responsibility. We should all blame the zoo 110%.

How did the kid breach whatever barrier there was? No-one yet knows out here in the Land of Ignorance.....but there is one basic fact no-one can deny.

Sure we know, its all in the news articles with pictures. There was no effective barrier at all.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #340 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:01pm

Agnes wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:52pm:

Yes Gnads, monkeys do kill and eat each other and as a primate I think we could expect the same from a gorilla.. there are some so determined to make this a case of condemn the mother and or parents and let the Zoo management off scott free! I just don't get it- the Zoo is to blame here - if security was SECURE this would never have happened Tongue

. Dumb and dumber.

Yeah one could wonder who really is ey?

As for the issue of great apes - not monkeys - eating other monkeys or animals ...

that was addressed to Bojack not you.

It had nothing to do with the point I was making to you...

in 38 years no apes have escaped from & no humans have got into that enclosure

and there would have been many thousands if not millions of children of the same age as this one

that had visited this zoo. It called acceptable risk. The world & workplaces are full of it.

IF YOUR KID IS A LITTLE MONKEY

keep him under wraps & don't expect others to do it for you.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #341 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:04pm

ian wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:58pm:

The kid fell 4 metres into the compound, the gorilla would have been unable to jump that high to escape. There was a 1.2 metre "fence" in front of the bushes on top of the compound which was what the kid easily went over or through because it only had a couple of strands of wire. That wouldnt pass muster as a pool or spa fence in Australia so obviously they considered a gorilla in a compound with a swimming pool and a 4 metre drop was less of a threat than a swimming pool itself. Totally the parents fault obviously.

Well said.

That just about wraps it up for the Prosecution against the Defendant, namely the zoo's management.

The Jury will now retire to consider its verdict ... Poll installed for this purpose.

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Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child
Reply #342 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:05pm

ian wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:00pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:53pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:48pm:

So flimsy and poorly constructed that nothing has escaped in 38 years?

What an outrage.

Of course, the parent should take absolutely no responsibility. We should all blame the zoo 110%.

How did the kid breach whatever barrier there was? No-one yet knows out here in the Land of Ignorance.....but there is one basic fact no-one can deny.

Sure we know, its all in the news articles with pictures. There was no effective barrier at all.

Some sanity here.

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #343 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:08pm Its one reason we have laws regarding pool fencing in this country, a few seconds of inattention and your kids drowned. I wouldnt blame any parent in that circumstance, no one is superhuman. This zoo had no adequate barrier to a 4 metre drop, thats negligence.
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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #344 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:09pm Whose fault was it that the kid fell into the hands of the gorilla? See Poll.
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Question: Who are the guilty parties?
100% the Management 6 (40.0%) 100% the mother (father not there) 3 (20.0%) 50 / 50 the mum and Management 3 (20.0%) 80% fault of the Management 0 (0.0%) 80% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the Management 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 100% fault of the kid 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: Lord Herbert on: Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:09pm »