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Reply #270 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:10pm

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:03pm:

the fact the parents are not suing the zoo...... a great American pass time.. makes me think even more ...there wa a big Fail on mums part.. Roll Eyes

There was a time when the tree huggers said cages are cruel make their enclosure more like their natural habitat, one incident in 38 years which the evidence points to irresponsible parents.

Having watched the video of the kid being dragged through the water at a very rapid rate I think I know why it took 10 minutes to react.

The staff would have informed the director who would have called their lawyer, the lawyer would have said if the kid gets hurt you're fuked, the director would have then passed on the order to shoot.

The kid didn't get hurt there is nothing they can sue for.

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Reply #271 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:10pm

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:08pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:04pm:

Cods, the only fence was a hedge.

The kid got through a hedge.

Do you think a hedge is enough of a barrie

where are all the people then.. do they stand on top of the wall??????????.......

how do you know its the only barrier???????

Assuming that ^^^^ is correct, they are behind the bushes and filming away from themselves in to the enclosure.

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Reply #272 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:13pm

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:57pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:48pm:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:45pm:

did it only take him 2 or 3 seconds to get from his mums side through a hole into a moat???...... Roll Eyes

Feral parents breed feral kids. If you cannot control and/or keep your eyes 100% on small children you have no business taking them out to busy public places.

Are you a parent?

Yes and I am not irresponsible or stupid enough to have kids running feral in dangerous environments.

I have taken my kids to the zoo several times and I knew where they were at ALL times.

Then you must know a child can be gone in the time it takes you to put their water away.

Any parent who doesn't admit they were lucky a few times is a liar.

Take small children to a potentially dangerous environment and the onus is on you to make sure they are safe. One would give 3/4 year olds their 'water' while they are strapped in a stroller and at all other times you would hold their hand.

It's called responsible parenting. More people should try it.

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Reply #273 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:14pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:10pm:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:03pm:

the fact the parents are not suing the zoo...... a great American pass time.. makes me think even more ...there wa a big Fail on mums part.. Roll Eyes

There was a time when the tree huggers said cages are cruel make their enclosure more like their natural habitat, one incident in 38 years which the evidence points to irresponsible parents.

Having watched the video of the kid being dragged through the water at a very rapid rate I think I know why it took 10 minutes to react.

The staff would have informed the director who would have called their lawyer, the lawyer would have said if the kid gets hurt you're fuked, the director would have then passed on the order to shoot.

The kid didn't get hurt there is nothing they can sue for.

I know that said they will not sue, but I'll bet they do, both on behalf of the kid, and the mother who would have seen it all.

In fact, it is not beyond possibility that any witness who saw it live sues for the emotional distress caused.

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Reply #274 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:16pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:13pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:57pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:51pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:48pm:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:45pm:

did it only take him 2 or 3 seconds to get from his mums side through a hole into a moat???...... Roll Eyes

Feral parents breed feral kids. If you cannot control and/or keep your eyes 100% on small children you have no business taking them out to busy public places.

Are you a parent?

Yes and I am not irresponsible or stupid enough to have kids running feral in dangerous environments.

I have taken my kids to the zoo several times and I knew where they were at ALL times.

Then you must know a child can be gone in the time it takes you to put their water away.

Any parent who doesn't admit they were lucky a few times is a liar.

Take small children to a potentially dangerous environment and the onus is on you to make sure they are safe. One would give 3/4 year olds their 'water' while they are strapped in a stroller and at all other times you would hold their hand.

It's called responsible parenting. More people should try it.

You're missing the point.

The zoo shouldn't be a potentially dangerous environment.

A child should not be able to breach enclosures.

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Reply #278 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:21pm

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:17pm:

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One would give 3/4 year olds their 'water' while they are strapped in a stroller......

Jaybuz.......not one of my 3/4 year old kids, grandkids and/or great nieces/nephews were in strollers at that age?????

Nor mine.

Then perhaps, on occasion, they should have been and you wouldn't lose them.

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Reply #279 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:21pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:14pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:10pm:

cods wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:03pm:

the fact the parents are not suing the zoo...... a great American pass time.. makes me think even more ...there wa a big Fail on mums part.. Roll Eyes

There was a time when the tree huggers said cages are cruel make their enclosure more like their natural habitat, one incident in 38 years which the evidence points to irresponsible parents.

Having watched the video of the kid being dragged through the water at a very rapid rate I think I know why it took 10 minutes to react.

The staff would have informed the director who would have called their lawyer, the lawyer would have said if the kid gets hurt you're fuked, the director would have then passed on the order to shoot.

The kid didn't get hurt there is nothing they can sue for.

I know that said they will not sue, but I'll bet they do, both on behalf of the kid, and the mother who would have seen it all.

In fact, it is not beyond possibility that any witness who saw it live sues for the emotional distress caused.

Zoos are not a wealthy environment I doubt they will get sued.

One incident in 38 years with this Gorilla enclosure hardly proves negligence or inadequate fencing.

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Reply #280 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:23pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:21pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:17pm:

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One would give 3/4 year olds their 'water' while they are strapped in a stroller......

Jaybuz.......not one of my 3/4 year old kids, grandkids and/or great nieces/nephews were in strollers at that age?????

Nor mine.

Then perhaps, on occasion, they should have been and you wouldn't lose them.

I never lost my kids but I don't have any judgement on someone who has lost a kid.

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Reply #281 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:36pm

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:23pm:

I never lost my kids but I don't have any judgement on someone who has lost a kid.

But they darted off and you were lucky.

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Then you must know a child can be gone in the time it takes you to put their water away.

Any parent who doesn't admit they were lucky a few times is a liar.

I find it impossible to believe that the child could have 'darted off' and crawled through hedges and a hole in the fence in just a few short seconds.

Some people need to be judged. No amount of money will bring back your child so, in my opinion, the primary duty of care lie with the parent.

If you disagree, that's fine, but I am not up to an all night merry-go-round argumentathon. You have your opinion ... they were wonderful parents Roll Eyes

I have mine. End of.

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Reply #282 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:40pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:36pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:23pm:

I never lost my kids but I don't have any judgement on someone who has lost a kid.

But they darted off and you were lucky.

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Then you must know a child can be gone in the time it takes you to put their water away.

Any parent who doesn't admit they were lucky a few times is a liar.

I find it impossible to believe that the child could have 'darted off' and crawled through hedges and a hole in the fence in just a few short seconds.

Some people need to be judged. No amount of money will bring back your child so, in my opinion, the primary duty of care lie with the parent.

If you disagree, that's fine, but I am not up to an all night merry-go-round argumentathon. You have your opinion ... they were wonderful parents Roll Eyes

I have mine. End of.

Where did I say they were wonderful parents?

Where did I cast any judgement on the parents at all.

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Reply #283 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:43pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:36pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:23pm:

I never lost my kids but I don't have any judgement on someone who has lost a kid.

But they darted off and you were lucky.

mothra wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:02pm:

Then you must know a child can be gone in the time it takes you to put their water away.

Any parent who doesn't admit they were lucky a few times is a liar.

I find it impossible to believe that the child could have 'darted off' and crawled through hedges and a hole in the fence in just a few short seconds.

Some people need to be judged. No amount of money will bring back your child so, in my opinion, the primary duty of care lie with the parent.

If you disagree, that's fine, but I am not up to an all night merry-go-round argumentathon. You have your opinion ... they were wonderful parents Roll Eyes

I have mine. End of.

Toddle off then after leaving your spoil. Slam the door, and go home with your bat and ball. Feel all warm and fuzzy as well if you like.

You leave the slur on people who are not here to respond, and you do so in ever so judgemental mode.

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You have your opinion ... they were wonderful parents ::

Dad was not there for starters. Mum was. How can you blame her after hearing from cods about how quickly those little buggers can leave your immediate presence/supervision in a flash?

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Reply #284 - Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 10:46pm

And where did I say my kids darted off.

Why do you feel the need to invent arguments?

I'm lucky about the time my kid pulled an oven on him while I was doing the dishes. That and countless other times my children could have been hurt but weren't. Or something could have gone wrong but it didn't.

You know. Regular parenting.

I don't judge people for being human.

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