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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #345 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:13pm Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:09pm: Whose fault was it that the kid fell into the hands of the gorilla? See Poll. God damn poll system.
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Reply #346 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:15pm

ian wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Its one reason we have laws regarding pool fencing in this country, a few seconds of inattention and your kids drowned. I wouldnt blame any parent in that circumstance, no one is superhuman. This zoo had no adequate barrier to a 4 metre drop, thats negligence.

That is exactly right Ian... commonsense is a rare commodity these days..

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106280 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #347 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:15pm I voted management: A small child cannot pass through chicken wire. It would have been so simple to improve the safety.
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Reply #348 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:30pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:15pm:

I voted management:

A small child cannot pass through chicken wire.

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It would have been so simple to improve the safety.

me too Bobby- and so so easy to make it safe- ultimately we have lost a beautiful Silver Back and the loss is immense

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #349 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:12pm Where's the button for 100% the father's fault for not being there? It's the venue's fault. String an electric fence before the point of no return.
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Reply #350 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:13pm

Agnes wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:15pm:

ian wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:08pm:

Its one reason we have laws regarding pool fencing in this country, a few seconds of inattention and your kids drowned. I wouldnt blame any parent in that circumstance, no one is superhuman. This zoo had no adequate barrier to a 4 metre drop, thats negligence.

That is exactly right Ian... commonsense is a rare commodity these days..

There is no such thing. If it's not common, it's not common.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #351 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:16pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:15pm: I voted management: A small child cannot pass through chicken wire. http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_h... It would have been so simple to improve the safety. Unless he was flung at great speed.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25018 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #352 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:27pm Black Orchid wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 9:19pm: http://www.kappit.com/img/pics/201606_1540_hihbd_sm.jpg What if Kanye isn't performing there that night? Would they still go and shoot him?
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Reply #353 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:33pm

Agnes wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:30pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:15pm:

I voted management:

A small child cannot pass through chicken wire.

http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_h...

It would have been so simple to improve the safety.

me too Bobby- and so so easy to make it safe- ultimately we have lost a beautiful Silver Back and the loss is immense

And all for the sake of a few hundred bucks worth of chicken wire that
a school kid could have thought of & installed.
It's sickening.

The management should all be in jail.

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Reply #354 - Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:42pm

ian wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:58pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:39pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2016 at 11:54am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:32pm:

cods wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

I too would want to know where were the parents...??? a 3 yr old climb into a animal compound....hardly...

it is a cruel end for the gorilla... but under the circumstances they had to make an instant decision that could have been bad either way....a tranquilizer just doesnt work instantly and could have had even worse consequences...

sadly there is no right or wrong way to deal with this type of thing..

I think there is. Zoos ought ensure this sort of event can never happen. We have to fence pools to make them allegedly kid proof.

The burden of responsibility lies with the ZOO. How is it a highly dangerous animal like a Silver back Gorilla is under such flimsy security such as a poorly constructed fence in the first place , has to be asked?- WHY wasn't security at the Zoo fail safe- why didn't the zoo protect it's patrons. We have fail safe security here in Australia,. Look no further than the Zoo for the death of this Gorilla..they neither protected their clients nor the Gorilla..this is NOT the fault of the parent/s.

I sniff a great big law suit and the lawyers will be circling the mother right this minute..

Had he or any other gorillas ever escaped from the enclosure?

I'm sure they would be far more dextrous than that little boy. Roll Eyes

The kid fell 4 metres into the compound, the gorilla would have been unable to jump that high to escape. There was a 1.2 metre "fence" in front of the bushes on top of the compound which was what the kid easily went over or through because it only had a couple of strands of wire. That wouldnt pass muster as a pool or spa fence in Australia so obviously they considered a gorilla in a compound with a swimming pool and a 4 metre drop was less of a threat than a swimming pool itself. Totally the parents fault obviously.

Agreed 100%.

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Reply #355 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 12:41am

cods wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:49am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:45am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 8:42am:

That want to create the impression that he was there, and thus upset all the hotheads who'll ask "why didn't the father jump in and save his boy?".

Nobody's been asking that question.

Everyone knows that would have confused the target for the shooter.

Cool

(You're a bad influence on me, Black Orchid ... Shame on you).

herb you are crossing the line again.. that is not funny...even for the sickos on here it isnt funny.

And he said Black Orchid is a bad influence- flippin' birds of a feather, yes the romance is blossoming into something rather un savoury.

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Reply #356 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am

As a parent Raven knows how quick a toddler can be. You can lose sight of them in an instant.

And if Raven is brutally honest with himself, not only would he hate himself for failing his child but if it was in his power he would have rained down destruction upon that gorilla before he got near his child.

Why?

Because an unknown animal, even a semi domesticated one is an unknown equation. How many of us have pulled our child away from an unknown dog chained up outside a Woolies or Coles?

Mountain gorilla's have been known to kill infant gorillas.

Watching the way the boy was dragged by this gorilla, as a parent, Raven can totally accept the death of the gorilla.

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Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #357 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 8:03am Setanta wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:12pm: Where's the button for 100% the father's fault for not being there? It's the venue's fault. String an electric fence before the point of no return. High Voltage so the kid would stick to it to make retrieval more easy ....
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Reply #358 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 8:09am

Raven wrote on Jun 4^th, 2016 at 4:05am:

As a parent Raven knows how quick a toddler can be. You can lose sight of them in an instant.

And if Raven is brutally honest with himself, not only would he hate himself for failing his child but if it was in his power he would have rained down destruction upon that gorilla before he got near his child.

Why?

Because an unknown animal, even a semi domesticated one is an unknown equation. How many of us have pulled our child away from an unknown dog chained up outside a Woolies or Coles?

Mountain gorilla's have been known to kill infant gorillas.

Watching the way the boy was dragged by this gorilla, as a parent, Raven can totally accept the death of the gorilla.

All good points.

A couple of things need stressing:

1) Nicole's link to an experienced gorilla keeper informs us that the gorilla's behaviour in dragging the kid in sudden fast sprints through the water was symptomatic of the animal becoming highly distressed and on the offensive.

2) The screaming and movement of the watching crowd was possibly 100% what was upsetting the animal into a state of high agitation.

And therefore the behaviour of the crowd was partly responsible for the final outcome.

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Reply #359 - Jun 4^th, 2016 at 8:41am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 10:33pm:

Agnes wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:30pm:

[quote author=bobbythebat1 link=1464495465/347#347 date=1464952531]I voted management:

A small child cannot pass through chicken wire.

http://www.chickenwirenetting.com/chickenwire-images/ss_chicken_wire_hexagonal_h...

It would have been so simple to improve the safety.

me too Bobby- and so so easy to make it safe- ultimately we have lost a beautiful Silver Back and the loss is immense

And all for the sake of a few hundred bucks worth of chicken wire that
a school kid could have thought of & installed.
It's sickening.

The management should all be in jail.[/quote]

they had to shoot one of their animals because of a negligent parent....

if that child had run onto the road and been killed by a car would you want the car driver go to jail????..

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Question: Who are the guilty parties?
100% the Management 6 (40.0%) 100% the mother (father not there) 3 (20.0%) 50 / 50 the mum and Management 3 (20.0%) 80% fault of the Management 0 (0.0%) 80% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the Management 1 (6.7%) 90% fault of the mother 1 (6.7%) 100% fault of the kid 0 (0.0%) Total votes: 15 « Created by: Lord Herbert on: Jun 3^rd, 2016 at 9:09pm »